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The outcome of this request for deletion was to  Keep. This RfD has ran long over, and with arguments for and against keeping this article. At this time I am going to have to say there is no clear consensus. As such a no consensus closure, stands at a keep. -- Enfcer (talk) 20:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Murdered African-American people (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete) · close request

Auntof6 has nominated this page for deletion for the reason: Overcategorization. It might be informative to have a category for African-American people whose murders were racially motivated (or maybe just a more general one for any people murdered because of their race), but this category does not specify that. If a murder isn't racially motivated, the victim's race is not relevant. Auntof6 (talk) 06:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this request below, but keep in mind that you shouldn't vote on everything and that there may be options other than "keep" or "delete", such as merging.

• Delete per nomination.--Peterdownunder (talk) 06:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. A cat is considered justified if its topic is distinct enough for an article to be written about the topic. African Americans are murdered at a far higher rate than Americans of other ethnicities; an article about violent crime in the African-American community certainly could be written. Some of the people (eligible to be) in this cat have become much more well-known as a result of their (unsolved) murders, including Tupac Shakur and The Notorious B.I.G. Jim Michael (talk) 07:24, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considered justified by whom? We've deleted cats before that could have articles, some even because an article was better than a category for some things. Remember that we keep things simple here besides just the language. A primary example of that is the category structure. We don't create categories just because we can. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. We don't need it. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. User:Rus793 (talk) 12:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Let's say there is a category "Racially-motivated murders" (or similar, name of the category is not an issue at the moment), how many of our current pages can we put into that category? 10? 15? - Most of these will be in regimes that were racially-segregated to say the least. And now we take the 15 or so entries we have, and segregate by skin color? - This will leave us with 5 pages for the black people. I am not an advocate of racial segregation (by skin color), but I really think the "Racially-motivated murders" category might be a tight fit; the category we are discussing here is definitely too narrow for this wiki. Everyone is of course welcome to think differently; provide ten entries which are not stubs and which fit the category, and I will change my mind.--Eptalon (talk) 12:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  No-one is saying that any of the people in cats like this one were killed because of their ethnicity. If we had a racially-motivated murders cat, there wouldn't be enough entries to subcat them by ethnicity. Jim Michael (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  I know no one is saying that. What I'm saying is that if we aren't saying that, there's no reason for the category. We don't need to subcat everything by race. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I accepted the challenge of Eptalon, if I read it correctly. There are now ten articles in this category. Some are notable in their own right. None are stubs. (I added to some to make this so). All have sources... Fylbecatulous talk 14:38, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Which of course make this category keepable. So, it is a clear keep from me. --Eptalon (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  The number of articles isn't the issue, and adding more doesn't make a category "keepable". Whether the articles are stubs is irrelevant. Whether the murders are notable also isn't the issue. The issue is that a murder victim's race isn't relevant if the murder wasn't related to their race. If the category were named something like "Racially-motivated murders of African-Americans", there wouldn't be an issue. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This request is due to close on 06:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC), seven days after it was filed, although it may be closed earlier at the discretion of an administrator.

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