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The outcome of this request for deletion was to  Delete.  -- Enfcer (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Auntof6 has nominated the following pages for deletion for the reason: I am nominating all 131 articles that are currently in Category:Junior colleges in Japan because none of them claims notability. (Yes, I looked at every one of them.) The closest they come to claiming notability is:

1. A few of them list notable alumni (but I don't think having someone notable attend the college makes the college notable)
2. Having references (however, the references don't support anything that indicates notability)

Pages included in this request:

In addition to the notability issue, there have many other problems with these articles. They have all needed extensive cleanup. The user (User:61.116.92.160) who created many of the early articles never replied to messages left on the talk page and never addressed the issues. User:Chenzw even left messages there in multiple languages, but got no reply (at least not on the talk page). The creation of these articles had stopped for a while, but now they are being created again, causing a lot of cleanup work for new page patrollers.

Notes:

• As soon as I save this page and add it to the RfD page, I will put RfD notices on each nominated page and notify all editors who created any of the pages. Because it will take me a little time to do that, I am setting this RfD to run for 8 days instead of 7, to be sure that all affected editors have at least 7 days to comment.
• If all of these are deleted, we will also need to delete Category:Junior colleges in Japan.
• If this request succeeds, I am willing to do the deleting (it can be done easily with AWB).

Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this request below, but keep in mind that you shouldn't vote on everything and that there may be options other than "keep" or "delete", such as merging.

• Delete all. I have also been concerned about these pages. Anyone who thinks these are worth keeping should look at a few, because even the information claimed is impossible to verify. The references are in Japanese. The articles do not claim notability. As well as the points noted by Aunt, the ones I checked were all orphans (no inward links from other pages).
  In many countries universities are automatically notable because they are verified by the government of the country, and/or they can show a record of achievement. Individual schools and colleges may be notable, but have to show evidence of this. Some of the colleges listed are schools of universities. Basically, we should not list schools of universities, but only the universities themselves. Otherwise our task of assessing notability would be next to impossible. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, Mac, but I would like to point out the following: having references in another language is allowed, being an orphan is not a reason to delete an article, and we can have articles about schools of universities if notability is shown. Sometimes it's just going to be hard to assess notability. I know I'm arguing against my own nomination here, but I want others who look at this nomination to know these things. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all. Per nom and per above. Rus793 (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all. I share the same concerns of the nominator. Fylbecatulous talk 16:38, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all: per nominator, basically. Although foreign-language references are still references, I'm not satisfied that these articles are notable enough for inclusion here. Thanks for bringing them up to RfD, Aunt. Goblin 01:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Jersey![reply]
• Comment By the same logic, most of the articles in Category:Music_schools and Category:Christian_colleges_and_universities could also be deleted for not explaining why they are notable or having independent or verifiable references. I'd like to see most of these Japanese Junior College articles deleted just because they are so bad and the editor does not fix them or respond to requests, and it is impossible to keep up with the clean up. Otherwise we'll wind up with tons of bad, unmaintained stubs like all of the Japanese footballer articles. But those are not criteria for deletion.

Many of these would actually pass notability requirements quite easily, but I just don't see the point in devoting time and energy to adding the required references for articles that are of such poor quality. A few should be kept, and if the number is small, they can be improved as models for others.

Please keep these as still active independent junior colleges. If they are kept, I'll find the refs.

• Aoyama_Gakuin_Women's_Junior_College
• Osaka_Jogakuin_Junior_College

The main issue that is never explained well in any of these articles is that these junior colleges all restructured as regular 4 year institutions or merged with associated universities (those are the ones that end in -bu) and as Macdonald-ross pointed out are now schools of existing universities.

Examples like these should redirect to a main article and become part of the history of the article. Some of these are noted historically or are competitive to enter.

• College_of_Medical_Technology_and_Nursing,_University_of_Tsukuba
• Fukuoka_Jo_Gakuin_Junior_College
• Ferris_Women's_Junior_College
• Gakushuin_Women's_Junior_College to Gakushuin University done.
• Komazawa_Junior_College
• Nanzan_Junior_College to Nanzan University for example
• Sophia_University_Junior_College_Division to Sophia University for example
• Tokyo_Woman's_Christian_University,_Junior_College to Tokyo_Woman's_Christian_University for example
• Toyo_Eiwa_College

Gotanda (talk) 04:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Music schools and Christian colleges and universities and showing notability: Yes, any articles can be deleted if they don't indicate notability. Showing notability is a basic requirement of Wikipedia articles. Just knowing or believing that the subject of an article is notable is not enough. If an article is deleted for not showing notability, it can be rewritten later when there is evidence. We can only go by what is in the article. Unfortunately, we don't have the resources to keep up with making sure all our articles have what they should. When attention is drawn to especially problematic ones like these (for their grammatical and formatting issues, among other things), we are more likely to notice that they also don't show notability.

The two specific entries you mention that you would like kept: I would oppose keeping any of these articles if indication of notability is not added. If this RfD passes and there are any that you would like to see kept, they could be moved to your userspace. Even if they get deleted before you have a chance to say you want them, they can be retrieved if we act soon enough.

If a college is historic, let that be noted in the article. As for being competitive to enter, that does not indicate notability. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:11, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This request is due to close on 5:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC), seven days after it was filed, although it may be closed earlier at the discretion of an administrator.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not change it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No more changes should be made to this discussion.