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The a proposed policy change at Wikipedia talk:Fair use exemptions#Removing exception in policy for "Main Page" that would affect our project. It's to prevent any fair use images whatsoever from being displayed on the main page. Meaning, any FA film articles on movies from the past 70 years, which are largely unlikely to have any free images, will be presented without an image, or a cartoon clapperboard—as Gremlins 2 was for a short time early this morning. It looks like they're having a vote over there but it is an attempt at discussing the policy. Doctor Sunshine talk 19:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Well I think on the one hand we're not going to have a fair use image for say, a person, but I think films would be exempt on the grounds of common sense. Alientraveller 19:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Whether or not Jimbo dictates Wikipedia, it's clear that his action was significant enough to help close the poll. Should be fun to see how the Main Page looks for Scooby-Doo on April 12. Maybe a nice, free picture of a Great Dane with a similar-looking leash. I look forward to the reaction to that. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 16:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, All! Recently you/we added the "nested" option to ((Film)). It's now being used on roughly 120 articles. In adding it, though, I've been somewhat concerned about how the stub articles look. For an example, take a look at Talk:House of the Dead 2 (film). What would you all think of keeping the "article upgrading" section, but putting it it's own row - like this? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I said from the beginning, that the upgrading info, should not get in the collapsible box, but should display outside of it, as it was before. The way you worked out this solution in sandbox/un3, it doesn't even show. I am getting very displeased with all this hiding of useful templates for the sake of... (what really?). I ask every film member to see this new system and to actively take part in a poll (here) on whether we want all this collapsible inconvenience in film articles or not. Hoverfish Talk 06:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I have complained about all this in several pages, including WP Council. I doubt I will get any answer, as "Now it's too late; the dice has been cast." From the start we were presented a decision already taken. I have searched for a place where this was discussed between projects, but it seems all projects faced the same situation: "decision taken, do you want A or B?". "The way things are going in Wikipedia, here are your choices A, B (period)", is a slightly masked totalitarian way to go about things. No project ever got a chance to say much about the initial decision to do all this hiding. I also don't find anywhere a page where people (outside the banner project) had expressed problems with the way the templates show in the talk pages. The way I see it is that some people decided by themselves that "it is a problem and it's time to hide all talk page WP templates". Even so, I said if we have no other choice then Shell is better, but the upgrading info should be left out of the box. Well, even in Shell it's in the box now and it looks much worse so. And by the way, it's not "I don't want my WikiProject's banners hidden", it's "I want to see all banners of all projects": they have something to say and I don't want to have to press extra buttons to see it. I personally want (actually I demand it) a javascript for my monobook which sets "show all" by default. It should be available for all who wish to see the banners when they hit a talk page (which by the way looks terribly more cluttered now that the box is added around the info). Sorry to sound frustrated, but the way all this has been handled is frustrating. Hoverfish Talk 07:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
It has been brought to my attention that a many new stubs on Cinema pages are being created seemingly for the sake of it. I am all for smaller film producers which actually have an industry and some films under their belt to have an article, but the creation of pages such as Cinema of Oman and Cinema of Bahrain and Cinema of Kuwait have been created when OMan in particularly according to the imdb has only ever produced one film. Cinema of Yemen - 1 film. (Wow huge industry!) How can this possibly be worthy of an aritlce covering the cinema insutry of the country?? I beleive there must be some criteria for Cinema pages e.g produced over 100 films etc ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 17:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
If it must be done I have now redirected them sensibly to the previously empty West Asian cinema page where each country can be briefed on there one of two films if needs be ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 17:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, it can well be that they have produced 100 film and imdb has only 1. Do we take imdb as the all seeing eye? The problem I see with these articles is that they don't offer much information appart from some links. Yet what you just did (replacing the article with a redirect) is not the way to go about things, unless you are in agreement with the editor(s) who created the article. This is why we have the AfD process or on a milder note the various tags. Hoverfish Talk 17:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Of course redirecting is better than afd. And I didn't just look at imdb I read the comments in the articles e.g "Yemen has only ever produced one film etc and looked at some of the links. If they can be expanded which would be difficult with only one film, then thet can be moved to the seperate pages within seconds. Palestine clearly has some kind of industry so the main page should be kept for it ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 18:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm in the process of putting together a little tool-box that will show the areas that are in regular need of attention. I've come up with 12 so far, and am open to suggestions of regular areas that fall into this category. The link is User:SkierRMH/My Sandbox/Film toolbox. I try to update this about as often as Film stats is updated, every other day or so... You can leave feedback here or on that page's discussion page.
If you find it useful, you can link it to your page of preference via ((User:SkierRMH/My Sandbox/Film toolbox))
Ciao - and thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions! SkierRMH 08:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Is a webserial a film article? See Dead End Days. Obviously it's not a film, but we also tag videos as film articles. Hoverfish Talk 16:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Thought people interested in this project might like to know that Category:Women screenwriters is being considered for deletion. — scribblingwoman 02:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I was about to rename Guyver movie as either "Guyver film" or "Guyver films", but given the rest of the article, t'aint sure what this should be... not familiar enough with the genre to decide - anyone with a bit more experience willing to take a shot? ;) SkierRMH 06:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Should this section of film articles be standardised, as I've seen they seem to be a touch messy. A music section with a soundtrack sub-section would be most appropriate. Possecomitatus 19:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I need to know if there's a 'formal' manner of creating templates for actors and directors (the ones which appear at the bottom of every film page in which they have a significant role). I've created several modeled after Template:Jim Carrey, however many others look different. For example, compare my original Kate Winslet to a new version created by an unregistered user. --Wasted Sapience 12:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Are the actor templates meant for film articles or for biography articles? Director fimography templates to appear in film artciles has been accepted and is practiced, although I have seen a different format used. Have we decided also for actors' filmographies in film articles and if so how many per page is the limit? For example Finding Neverland has the Kate Winslet filmography, but top starring name is Johnny Depp, so why not also Johnny' filmography? Hoverfish Talk 12:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I must admit I derailed your query a bit, because how they look is a simple decision that could be taken if enough people are interested to offer opinion. However the problem of whether they should be included in film articles at all, is a much more serious issue, especially since there is a general movement to limit templates, and actors filmography templates can easily get out of hand. Hoverfish Talk 13:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I posted a question in WP Free images and here is an interesting answer I got from User:Pharos: Trailers for American films from before 1964 were never separately copyrighted and are considered in the public domain. So, taking a screenshot from the trailer can be a very profitable option. See here. Hoverfish Talk 13:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
After discussion with Skier I think its very appropriate we add a new element to tagging films ; - film needs cast section- many films are missing the cast and character section and details and only mention one or two actors in the info box. THis is an important element to films . Also I remember discussing that cast sections also shouldn't have a table but should be written. Here would be the category : Category:Articles that need a cast section
♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 14:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
No, not article page categorizing, or we'll into a wall. Talk page maintenance template. Here goes: Template:Film needs cast section. (I'll post at on the bottom too, to make sure you all see it). Hoverfish Talk 19:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
--PhantomS 20:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Article on Zoo (film) seems biased in its representation of critical opinion. It puts the negative review of "/film" first and implies that this is the concensus. It uses the Seattle Times review as the pro point-of-view, leaving out such important review sources as the New York Times, Variety, and The Village Voice.
Would someone with decent editor credentials review it and make changes as they see fit?
67.40.192.50 02:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just thought it might be pertinent to let the project members here know that Category:Films featuring nurses and Category:Films featuring airships are up for review at the April 10 CFD page and, at this point, look likely to be deleted. They are listed at that page under the rather misleading heading of "Films featuring things". I personally think that the categories are worth saving, and their deletion could cause a bunch of other categories to be nominated for deletion by those who make a habit of doing that kinda thing, based on precedent. And there has been some silliness there too (ie: comparing Nurses and aardvarks and left-handed orthodontists, and a general misunderstanding of the term 'feature' to boot). It's all good fun, come on over and leave your thoughts, whatever they may be. Cheers.--Keefer | Talk 02:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Having gone through over 10,000 film articles at a glimpse, I just want to start a bit of discussion on a few things:
I don't make more work than necessary, but going through all films individually in the categories of films by year, you might have noticed I've added around 3,000 more titles that need infoboxes (along with another 1,000 or more new film templates in general). My concern is that along the way I have discovered that the majority of film stub articles don't have infoboxes - this could be another couple of thousand to tag, which may end up being under review for being stubs anyway, wasting time filling out the details for the articles. I also went through the documentary category and the majority of those needed infoboxes - which should indicate there could be plenty more in comedy, drama, musical etc.
I was happy to contribute to 1,000 or so titles but as with the reaction of others dropping out of the project because of the sheer scale of it, I think there needs to be a cap or limit to infoboxes required, even though technically it would be great for all films to have one. From what I can see, I can only predict at least another 2,000 articles exist that don't have the film template, and another 5,000 or more without infoboxes.
I just finished the "N" section. The one film that's left there has an infobox, so I don't know why it's still on the list. If someone knows how to fix this and could let me know I would be much obliged. Thanks, FilmFemme 00:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I also noticed that I could determine what should be upgraded from stub to start if it already had tagged synopsis, infobox, and image which gave the article something substantial enough. I really like the idea of the tagging for organising a structured way of managing films but I think the tagging should all be one template!!! I propose this for discussion, what if there was a template more like this:
((filmneeds |infobox = |infoboximage = |lead = |synopsis = |production = |cast = |distribution = |reception = |notes = |release = |screenshot = |tagline = |trivia = |categories = ))
I know it might appear pretty crazy, but having gone through 5,000 titles then discovering there's a new tag I could have been placing, essentially it all needs to be re-tagged, then again when the next tag is introduced. I think this sort of system could also be a really good basis for consistency throughout all film articles - it can be used as a quick reference for people contributing to the article to see what it needs based on what's required of the style guide. I'm almost even thinking grading each element - some articles have plots but are one line - yet they still need something more substantial. Some are too long and also need work. Some have an infobox with one line, others are too long.
I noticed that even though so many new articles were being tagged, I've still missed heaps of films in all the genre categories, stubs. I was told the countries had already been meticulously gone through for tagging, and yet I've tagged an additional few thousand. This means there's a gross under-categorisation of films - all films should at least be categorised by year, country, and genre.
There are also a lot of stub articles that have one-liners - are these ever going to get off the ground, or should they be kept to list of films, so they're not a waste of an article. A lot of articles seem to be made and left for no reason, or might not have enough notability.
Just trying to get a consensus on what is considered "film":
Should Indian films be under wikiproject films or just Indian cinema? There's a bit of inconsistency with some articles, it's like some have avoided placing the template on some Indian films. Peter 11:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I admire your enthusiasm, Peter. I wouldn't go overboard with new tags. People will get overwhelmed and the tags will loose relevance. They're best kept to basics, such as infoboxes and pictures, things which people can add quickly and in an automated fashion. More in depth content requires time and/or research is mainly going to get added by people who take an active interest in a specific article and will be able to figure out what's missing either by checking around or from experience. Instead, leaving comments on the article's talk page, some project banners (like WPBiography) even have links to subpages for comments, would seem a better option.
Regarding stubs, might as well keep them, Wikipedia's got a seeming infinite amount of server space and you never know when someone'll add stuff. On what's considered a film, I agree with all of the bracketed assertions and would add we don't cover TV series, webisodes or music videos. Indian films I'd say yes, can't hurt to add our banner. Doctor Sunshine talk 03:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is an example of of a TV series questionably categorized as films: Canada: A People's History. Film or no film? If film, which year released? I found also that although generally Category:Television miniseries (which I find is usually the name for TV series) is subcategory of Television programs only (no "films"), someone has put Category:Canadian television miniseries under Canadian television films. In other country-TV miniseries there is no parent "films". We have to either correct the Canadian categorization or accept miniseries as films (which I feel is wrong). Hoverfish Talk 21:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Matthew_McConaughey
Several of the actor templates have been nominated for deletion. There were numerous templates already in existence long before my time, and I created several of the ones which are nominated. Since there aren't any guidelines or policies about actor templates I suggest we all participate in the discussion. --Wasted Sapience 12:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
See my comment on your previous comment above. (Sorry, but this page has rapid growth lately). Hoverfish Talk 14:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we include a section in film style guidelines about which templates are acceptable in film articles and which not. Pleople can'd search the archives of this page to know about consensus on each issue. The reason I think it should come in style guidelines is that the problem is spreading in many areas and we are already facing problems. Even our talk page templates are facing those who want them hidden from view. Hoverfish Talk 15:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just curious what you guys here think of this edit of Template:Academy Awards, and the related discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academy Awards#"19xx Academy Awards" redirects. So far there have been only comments by three users, myself included. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Skier already run into trouble categorizing the main article pages with the request category, so now we have the maintenance Template:Film needs cast section for talk pages, which assigns the same category Blofeld created. Please do not use the category in the main article pages any more. Hoverfish Talk 19:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
After sifting through heaps of film titles, I noticed inconsistencies with heading titles and want to make it all consistent - but I don't want to change it to something that is doesn't have the general consensus. The main one was "Plot". The "needs film synopsis" then displays "plot summary". Which is it? Even with the featured and good articles there's inconsistencies. Here are a few examples currently being used:
Is this something to be discussed in the style guidelines? Even the order of the article, sometimes synopsis is a lot lower down, and other elements come before or after others differently to other articles. (As one example of many, The Boondock Saints has release and reception details even before the plot, when plot is generally first off the ranks). Peter 01:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
We do have style guidelines on this page but I'm not sure whether the headers there are intended to be proscriptive. It might be better to ask your question on the style guide's talk page because there has been some discussion of some of these issues there (albeit rather inconclusive). Cop 633 01:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm against aligning everything. One, the editors might have a good reason for variating the section titles. Two, having everything exactly the same would make everything slightly more boring. Three, the time can be better spent elsewhere. Four, conformity is how the Man breaks you down. Free Huey! Doctor Sunshine talk 02:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I asked WP:TV but there is no reaction. The problem: Category:Television miniseries has as only parent Television programs, not films (or direct subcategories of). Someone placed Category:Canadian television miniseries under Canadian television films, which is not done in other countries' miniseries, but which sounds correct. Then I went searching for definitions in the articles. Television miniseries: no strict rule exists which differentiate a miniseries from a "regular" series or serial and by the broader suggestion: a limited run program of more than two and less than the thirteen part season or half season block associated with serial or series programming. Well, in IMDb I find 2-part TV films (not tagged as "mini"), which have won awards as miniseries or as TV films/miniseries. My guess is that originally it was meant to be a 2-part film and then some TV station turned it multipart. A clue I find in Television program is that TV series (or season -US term) is a 6-26 part thing. So it might be that a miniseries simply means a series with fewer parts (and not split in very short segments as I originally thought). But I am still not sure of categorizing. Logically it should follow the logic of Category:Television films, which has parents Films by type (which is under Films) and Television programs. Dr. sunshine suggested above that we host only TV miniseries that hit the screen, but I don't always find info about it. Also many circulated in DVD's as at full length. The other problem is we should then do the same in all TV films (1-parts). Any thoughts? Hoverfish Talk 15:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
There is now a new project at the above page. There has been repeated concern expressed here and elsewhere about the proliferation of project banners on talk pages. On that basis, I was wondering if any of the members of this project might be willing to, possibly with Wikipedia:WikiProject Fictional series, set up some sort of arrangement so that one banner might somehow function for whichever of the three mentioned projects apply to a given article? John Carter 15:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I was looking forward to the day someone would start this. I'd say everything: films, novels, video games, comic books, fictional series etc. Alientraveller 16:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Then you wil be glad then I have started yet another popular project!! -although I didn't actually propose it - if it was just films I would habe adapted the main film banner but James Bond covers a variety of topics including films, books, games, locations, actors, characters, weapons, cars etc and s quite justified because of its major impact and diversity to have its own banner ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 20:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Uma Thurman has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 19:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Lindsay Lohan has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 19:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure there's probably a 'rule' about this somewhere, but I'm not finding it... Is there some rule/policy/guideline/whatever regarding multiple stub templates on the same article? I can understand multiple templates for multiple projects (say, novel, film, radio), but how about multiple genres in the same? I'm seeing quite a few film articles that are getting multiple templates for multiple genres, a good example is The Combination of the Safe. Is there a reason to keep all of them, or can they be reduced to one, as long as they're all "film" related? SkierRMH 02:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Looking for some more experienced films editors to clarify a minor dispute at Talk:Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film)#What makes a film from a certain country?. Thanks, Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
For me, it depends on which studio funded the picture, and where the film was mostly shot, edited, got its effects, sound done and so on and so forth. So The Lord of the Rings was funded by New Line, but the films were actually made in New Zealand, (shot, edited, Weta provided props and special effects, sound department was there) with the exception of most of the score being done in Britain. Alientraveller 17:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Priority. Well, in regard to what order their names come, just go alphabetically, that's the easy solution. As for the English variations, it's a real problem, but not just in film articles - there are some suggested guidelines here that sometimes help -ENGVAR. As a Canadian, I recommend just shrugging, trying to be nice to everyone, and not coming to any real decision. :) Cop 633 23:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Lage Raho Munna Bhai, a Bollywood comedy film that has created great interest, and revived the tenets of Gandhism (principles of Mahatma Gandhi) in India, is in Peer Review. Please visit the peer review entry of Lage Raho Munna Bhai, and comment. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently some discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories/uncategorized about the possibility of having a bot identify a bunch of stubs in a specific topic that have a stub-cat but no permanent cat. For instance, it seems there are about a thousand film stubs that are not properly categorized. The idea would be that if we populate the category Category:Uncategorised films, then it would make it easier to get you guys involved in categorization. (the downside of course, is that you get 1000 articles to categorize) In any case, thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 23:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
On which note, I've populated the first 200 "unpermcategorised" articles in the Category:Film stubs tree into Category:Uncategorised films. Due to the way the traverse works, this just happens to have been largely filmmaking terms and filmakers rather than films per se: if that's broader than you'd prefer, I'll adjust this for the rest of the run. Alai 04:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
--Crzycheetah 00:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Lage Raho Munna Bhai, a Bollywood comedy film that has created great interest, and revived the tenets of Gandhism (principles of Mahatma Gandhi) in India, is a Featured article candidate. Please visit the FAC entry of Lage Raho Munna Bhai, and comment. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've supported it ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 18:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've improved this film article enormously from its first FA nomination. I've set up a couple of peer reviews -- one for WikiProject Films and one in general. If anyone is willing to impart some constructive criticism at either peer review, that would be greatly appreciated. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 18:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello to the members of the film project. I have come accross the fact that there are two pages for the same film here at wikipedia. The first is Stoned and the second is The Wild and Wycked World of Brian Jones. Now they are both stubs but the first has more info in its article and as this is the title of the film on the DVD cover and at IMDb it may be the one to keep. My question is how does one bring these two together? Do you perform a merge or just delete the second title? In any event my wikiskills don't include having done either of these so I thought I would make you aware of this so that those of you who know what to do can get this situation fixed. My thanks ahead of time to any who can help. MarnetteD | Talk 19:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Request for comments on the status of the naming convention for genre films, in this case Disaster movies. —Viriditas | Talk 01:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)