I'll keep it simple, I spoke this an admin about this and they told me to keep it simple, so here is what I've got:
I can add more evidence if you want but, '77.100.104.17' made an edit than 3 minutes later Vamlos made an edit saying 'I forgot to log in. Let me correct it.with this account.' So I think its clear he is using that account.
This one I am less certain of, but they fit the bill, both IPs are located in UK, so that checks out, they both have similar ways of presenting statements and arugements, they both aggressively argue the point that Chinese 'coolie' men marry outside their race at extreme numbers, also they both have this odd fixation on proving it with providing DNA
I also believe this to be the case as 82.35.202.156 decided not to edit after they were told to stop
Vamlos and 82.35.202.156 use a lot of the same points, a similar amount of links, countries and statements used by Vamlos here, was used by 82.35.202.156 at some point, as shown:
his same Russian link here
his Manchu statement here
his Peruvian statement here
his Cuban statement here, this also shows his odd fixation on DNA
his Mexican statement here
his (Guyanese, Jamaican and Trinidadian) statement here, these three countries are listed and if you look at the link here, he used those same nationalities
his same Persian link here,
his Hong Kong statement here, once again showing his odd fixation on DNA
his Hawaii statement here
his Australian statement here
his Madagascar statement here
his American statement here and here
Also I'm really new to all this 'sock puppetting'/'reporting' stuff and if I made any mistakes I'll really sorry and I'll fix it as soon as I'm shown what I did wrong -- Toby Mitches (talk) 05:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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Users is obviously a duck (or sleeper account) of the previously blocked WCF sub-sock of user Vamlos[1] and DerekHistorian[2]. Similar edit styles, grammar and interest of the newly created sock account "Tommyranger"[3], especially on the page Ainu people[4] and Uyghurs[5] and Xinjiang Tarim mummies[6], as well as using outdated racialist terms and views, such as Caucasoid or Europid, for which Vamlos got blocked. eg.[7] The edits of interest of WCF are clear matching, with occasional edits on another topic, a typical pattern observed among WCF, specifically AsasadalEditor, and reverting his own edits or altering them, as seen in the recent case of the sock account Whhu22[8].2001:4BC9:A45:EEAC:10F6:3F6D:489E:7B4C (talk) 22:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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I would check the filer in this case... - Hunan201p (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
So we got here by way of Vamlos (and DerekHistorian)--see User talk:213.162.80.160. Tommyranger turns out to be Shadowah also (which is why we're here), and Spacecars931, and Vamlos. All are CU blocked, but not tagged. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
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@Drmies: I am 99% sure that 213.162.80.160 (talk · contribs), the person pretending to help you, is WorldCreaterFighter. See similar edits by the LTA accounts:
Example section from Erminwin's talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Erminwin#Recent_edits_on_Xiongnu
Note the identical accusations to those made on the talk page of 213.162.80.160 (talk · contribs), same word usage; specifically throwing around accusations of "racialism", and accusing me of being linked to Tigril34.
WorldCreaterFighter's new strategy seems to be WP:GHBH, as revealed to me by @Austronesier:. He's causing lots of trouble and wasting our time again. - Hunan201p (talk) 17:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
These similarities could be coincidental. But I think three shared interests should warrant a check.
Emphasizing the Caucasoid/West Eurasian features of Tarim mummies:
Emphasizing at talk pages that Wikipedia is minimizing the West Eurasian/Caucasoid and "light skinned" nature of the Tarim mummies:
An interest in the genocide of Western Papuans by Indonesian/Chinese people, which is shared with at least two confirmed socks:
Jomon-related edits
Also, about the username "The lord of sword". Perhaps this is stretching it, but WorldCreaterFighter has occasionally chosen usernames that contain titles of nobility, like "Lord", "King", "Khan", "Khagan", and also "Samurai/Bushi"). One of his usernames was "SpiritClaymore". A claymore is a type of sword.
Below is a list of WorldCreaterFighter socks using noble titles, many of them associated with sword-wielding warriors.
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Taken from the sockpuppet list:
From the suspected socks page: (Aterui was a warrior known as the "Lord of the Bad Road" in Japan.) |
As always I appreciate the time and effort of the checkusers and the clerks. Thank you. Hunan201p (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I agree that the contributions of the suspected account bear many similarities with the blocked socks @DerekHistorian and @Vamlos. In the discussion Talk:Xinjiang, they repeatedly talk about "Caucasoid" and "Mongoloid", reading obsolete races everywhere even if the sources don't apply this framework. This is a characteristic trademark of the @DerekHistorian/@Vamlos-part in this sock complex.
Interest in inter-communal sexual violence as in Talk:American wartime rape of Vietnamese women and Talk:Rape during the Kashmir conflict is another clear giveaway. –Austronesier (talk) 19:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
@Blablubbs: Regarding your comment below: I have mused about this question a couple of months ago here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter/Archive#22_February_2022. –Austronesier (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
I think Hunan201p was correct in the first instance when he believed that DerekHistorian was a sock of WCF. The behavioral evidence is solid, and the technical dissimilarities are minor.This is all making me dizzy and perhaps it would be best if someone with access to CU logs could see if the case needs to be split. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Kazakh VPN IP admits to being WorldCreaterFighter:
Admission: And yes, I did make many mistakes in the past, but I want to overcome this.
The previous IP's edits at Ancient North Eurasian are very similar to recent edits at Indigenous peoples of Siberia made by another Kazakhstan IP, using a different VPN:
Turkish IP editor (but using the same Stark VPN as the first editor, 45.159.250.18, who admitted to being WCF), makes very similar edits:
Note that this IP editor shows an interest in the Bambara people,[47]. WorldCreaterFighter had a sockpuppet named BambaraKaya[48] and also showed the same interest in African ethnic groups like Fula people.
This same Turkish IP editor also removed content about East Asian mtDNA ancestry in Romanians, in a very similar manner as a recently confirmed WCF sock:
Finally, here are examples of the similarity of edit summaries between these IPs:
Applying WP:WIKIVOICE, there is no sense in mentioning multiple genetic WP:Primary papers without contextualizing
Trying to apply WP:WIKIVOICE, a secondary paper (Yang 2022)is probably better to be cited in the lead rather than a primary paper (Vallini 2022),
Adjusting my contribution according to WP:WIKIVOICE,
adjusting accordingly to WP:WIKIVOICE, removing original research and replacing it with actual quoting from the cited papers
I have listed WorldCreaterFighter as an sock in case a CheckUser analysis fails for Vamlos. I understand IPs checks are not standard, but in this case Austronesier has gotten one of the IPs to admit to being the sock, and the IPs are all VPNs with identical interests to WCF/Vamlos. Hunan201p (talk) 15:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
User targets Afroasiatic language content to disinform similar to blocked Vamlos sock 195.208.178.74. Notably, this IP sock made a lot of reverts of User:WorldCreaterFighter sockpuppets in a potential example of WP:GHBH. On Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples page, between 13:44 and 13:47 on 16 September 2022, User:Eddiitt0 utilized a WorldCreaterFighter favorite paper (Hodgson et. al, also used by User:Azazmeh and User:WikiEdit2204 WCF socks) as a citation on a statement directly contradicted by the paper.
The statement:
"and say that the view that Proto-Semitic speaking groups in the Horn of Africa originated in Western Asia cannot be supported by archaeological, epigraphic and linguistic evidence."
The paper:
"We hypothesize that a population with substantial Ethio-Somali ancestry could be the proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers. A later migration of a subset of this population back to the Levant before 6 ka would account for a Levantine origin of the Semitic languages [18] and the relatively even distribution of around 7% Ethio-Somali ancestry in all sampled Levantine populations (Table S6). Later migration from Arabia into the HOA beginning around 3 ka would explain the origin of the Ethiosemitic languages at this time [18], the presence of greater Arabian and Eurasian ancestry in the Semitic speaking populations of the HOA (Table 2, S6), and ROLLOFF/ALDER estimates of admixture in HOA populations between 1–5 ka"
User was warned on talk page twice for original research on Ethiopian Semitic languages on 26 September 2022 and a revert on 1 October 2022. User was also warned for similar edits made on 17 September 2022, 26 September 2022, and a revert on 1 October 2022 on South Semitic languages page.
On 12 November 2022 on the Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples page user removed the Hodgson source along with a high-quality source by prominent Ethiopian studies scholar Donald N. Levine and replaced it with a book about the Origin of the Jews, which is not dedicated to the origin of Semitic languages in the Horn of Africa. He also used NPOV language for a topic without an academic consensus "many scholars now think" whereas the other theories cited say "some scholars."
Clumsiness of edits and diction also indicative of Vamlos sockpuppetry. Additionally, user has made contributions to Ancient North Eurasian which emphasize their mostly European origin:
This user can be linked to a Virgin Media UK IP, typical of the "United Kingdom" WCF socks, such as Vamlos, DerekHistorian, Shinoshijak, etc.
Golden Horde was formed in 1240's by Batu Khan, in todays Europe to Kazakhstan. While the Golden family was from Mongolia formed in 1180's to 1210*[59]:
What does a 2016 genetic study of Golden family (pre-1200) of Genghis Khan from Mongolia have anything to do with Golden Horde (1240-1502) in Europe?
The IP edits are identical to WCF, including a shared interest in Native American/Asian genetics, Ainu/Emishi culture, Hoabinhians (and their relation to Negritos), wartime sexual violence, etc:
- Hunan201p (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Feb. 26 update: I am adding Queenplz to be checked, as I have always suspected they were related to this LTA, yet they always managed to evade the checkusers. Like Queenplz (and DerekHistorian), Gemmaso seems to harbor a mistaken assumption that this study supports a relation between its sample and the Ongud clan of medieval Mongolia: [67], [68][69] - Hunan201p (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
March 1st update: @Bbb23: could you or anyone else take a look at this? I have been running short on time this week.
Vamlos and Gemmaso identical edits at red hair:
TheBestTheBetter makes nearly identical edits regarding 2016 Mongolian DNA study, emphasizing that all remains are Mongoloid and the assumption of a possible Ongud origin:
Both users seem to have a high time preference, as seen in these agitated edit summaries, where they complain about time elapsed:
Gemmaso, like Vamlos is highly skeptical of Rashid al-Din's historical veracity regarding the Borjigin:
It is interesting to note that all of their edits at Golden Horde are also identical to DerekHistorian's, who is still linked to WorldCreaterFighter. They also share the same ALL CAPS and boldface editing style, poor English, lengthy commentary, and irritability. See this talk page discussion. - Hunan201p (talk) 13:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Hunan201p, make up your mind, you are everywhere. I invited you on article talk page and you ignored it. I asked for your opinion on talk page you ignored too, I replied to your warning in my talk page and you ignored it.
You opened a investigation and now opened a edit warring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warringGemmaso (talk) 22:17, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
All physical anthropological parameters indicate that the skulls of the Tavan Tolgoi graves were all anthropologically Mongoloid– NB Vamlos strongly indulged in terms likes "Caucasoid" and "Mongoloid", which is apparently why they are so obsessed with a seven-year old low-impact study) and focus on the (non-)connection of Gengis Khan with the R1b Y-haplogroup. –Austronesier (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
This user has been editing logged out as the IP 77.103.186.178, as can be seen when the IP removed a post only for Bermandolaoro to repost it two minutes later.
Then, looking at the IP's contributions, we can see that the IP made four edits to Vamlos' sockpuppet investigation page. These were made from the POV of another sock Gemmaso, who was suppposed to be replying to me, but presumably forgot to login. Gemmaso was forced to edit the page to hide the IP's involvement. In this, they succeeded-the IP met with no comment.
This shows indisputably that Bermandolaoro and Gemmaso both edit logged-out as the IP 77.103.186.178, and as Gemmaso is a sock of Thelordofsword, Bermandolaoro must be too. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
I do not understand why I received the 77.103.186.178 IP address. I could careless though. Over 90% of the edits, have nothing to with me. Check carefully. All the edits before Febbruary are by someone else. The ones in May are all mine. Bermandolaoro (talk) 11:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Just noting that I've blocked based on behavioral evidence, but I'd like to see if a checkuser agrees. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Earlier this year, Bermandolaoro was very occupied with the infobox caption at Genghis Khan - see for example Talk:Genghis Khan#Infobox caption. They were soon blocked as a sockpuppet of Vamlos
A Reddit thread created in early October focuses extensively on this dispute, and asks for "someone's Wikipedia account" or "help to bring down white supremacist" (me).
A couple of days ago, Sengoku-lord posts a comment which duplicates word-for-word that Reddit post. This shows that Sengoku-lord, the creator of the Reddit post, and Bermandolaoro, are almost certainly one and the same; if not, Sengoku-lord is a WP:MEATPUPPET from the Reddit thread. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Both editors add much content about Chinese men marrying or 'miscegenating' with African women:
Darbarosic appears to be a single purpose account judging by their edit history. -- Hunan201p (talk) 21:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)