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29 December 2017

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This edit by TrainEnthusiast is effectively the same as edit 1, edit 2, and edit 3 by The Train Master. These sorts of edits led to the latter account being blocked. And of course... the names are very similar. bdesham  17:40, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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15 April 2018

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Obvious naming convention plus mass creation of PA related malls etc...and a total lack of communication wtih concerned editors. Also see this which shows they clearly still have access but aside from this they are showing the same disruptive editing as when they got blocked several times CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:00, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See also TrainEnthusiast restoring a blocked IP's disruptive edits several times here and here, among several others. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Vanjagenije: This user has only signed in again this week because they are evading this active block on their IP. ScrpIronIV 20:21, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.[reply]

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04 June 2018

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Pretty much the same as the others, edits mall articles in the northeast. The give away is the user page [1] which says "I am a wikapedia user dedictaed to working on and improving on retail and mall related articles since 2016." This account didn't exist until this year, so its obvious it has to be a sock. Guess what account started editing in 2016. Rusf10 (talk) 05:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Red X Unrelated. The two reports in the archive are misleading, so I will take this opportunity to correct the record. In the first, the clerk asked that the master be "soft blocked". Instead, the admin hard-blocked the user indefinitely. In the second report, the clerk found that the listed puppet, TrainEnthusiast (talk · contribs · count), had not socked and closed the case. Several hours later, an admin blocked the user for 31 hours for disruption. A few days later, the user was blocked for 60 hours for disruption. A few days later, the user was blocked for a month for disruption. The following day the block was changed to indefinite for socking. Until now, no checks on any of the accounts has been run.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


08 November 2018

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Elevatorsarefun is making disruptive edits identical or very similar to TrainEnthusiast's contributions. These two editors focus on malls in the United States, making infobox adjustments not specified by the template documentation. The editors violate WP:3RR and don't participate in discussion when the community rejects their edits.

Walt Whitman Shops: [2] vs. [3]; [4] vs. [5]

Roosevelt Field (shopping mall): [6] vs. [7]

Additionally, there's an IP editor making the same/similar edits in Walt Whitman Shops. ScrapIronIV pointed it out in a previous SPI entry for this user: [8]

Thank you! →‎ GS →‎ 06:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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27 May 2019

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WP:DUCK. Repeatedly adding the same, unsupported content from another blocked sockpuppet: [9] vs [10]. Same focus on a narrow band of subjects: train stations and malls in the US Northeast. →‎ GS →‎ 21:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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22 June 2019

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No edits on enwiki yet, but listing here for reference because I've blocked them on Commons as an obvious sock of TrainEnthusiast. See for example their identical edits on commons:File:Hatfield Station Hatfield, Montco, Pennsylvania.jpg. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Sir Sputnik: the account is now active and making very ducky edits. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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28 June 2019

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Quacks like a duck. Same interest in Pennsylvania railroad stations, same "Added missing categories" edit summary as recent socks. Already blocked on Commons. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Vanjagenije: the IP is now back and making the same edits again. They've been on this IP for nearly a week now, so a block of 1-2 weeks might be needed to stop the disruption. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: I second that. Cards84664 (talk) 03:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

29 June 2019

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Ducky again. Same interest in Pennsylvania railroad stations and malls, same edit summaries. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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03 July 2019

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Ducky yet again (PA train stations and so on) and similar username to a past sock. Might be worth a checkuser to see if a rangeblock would stop the new accounts. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:00, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Seconded. Thanks for spotting this Pi.1415926535. Also: similar name to another blocked sock: Elevatorsarefun. →‎ GS →‎ 08:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose a targeted IP block or a range block would be possible? This fellow needs a vacation. Mackensen (talk) 12:16, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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7 July 2019

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Same edits as before, with the "Added missing categories" edit summaries. Rangeblock needed. Cards84664 (talk) 13:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz: Can you please rangeblock this address? Their edits to categories and additions of unsourced info is still ongoing. Cards84664 (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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27 July 2019

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Added the exact same content to Perkasie station (diff) as AmtrakAcela2000 (diff) and NorfolkSouthern523 (diff), who are both accounts that were blocked for being sock puppets under the same master (The Train Master) in a previous SPI report. This user has already been indef'd and tagged; creating this SPI retroactively for documentation and record-keeping purposes. Will be set as 'closed' upon creation. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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4 August 2019

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Same addition of redundant categories as before, their major tell is editing mall articles and insisting that PATH is commuter rail. Cards84664 (talk) 22:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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08 August 2019

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Quack, quack, quack. Editing PATH, adding questionable info to Amtrak articles, etc. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More of the same. Cards84664 (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And another. 96.245.161.108 was active all the way back in June so it appears some of these IPs are rather stable; I blocked it for three months on Commons. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Oshwah: Cards84664 (talk) 17:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Took it to AN/I. Cards84664 (talk) 23:49, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This appears to have run its course. Closing.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]



27 August 2019

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The name alone...but like...all the quacking Praxidicae (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"NorristownLowSpeedLine" as well. Cards84664 (talk) 17:13, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Blocked and taggedbradv🍁 16:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Second also  Blocked and tagged. – bradv🍁 17:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

10 September 2019

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More of the same. Cards84664 (talk) 23:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: Cards84664 (talk) 02:44, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Adding another ip. Cards84664 (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Sir Sputnik: The master and various socks share two editing habits, the addition of unsourced railroad trivia (Master & Sock), and the addition of excessive categories and other trivia to mall/retail articles. (Master & Sock). Note that 144.178.5.62 is now stale, but it may become active again later. Also pinging @Bradv:. Cards84664 (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, here's another example of this sock's obsession with new articles. Cards84664 (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Edgar181:. Cards84664 (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I see no need to tolerate their edits. Four of their socks were blocked before I was even involved, so I feel that the use of G5 is justified. I also agree with Edgar that competence is a requirement for all editors.Cards84664 (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Cards84664: Further discussion on the merits and history of G5 can be found here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:13, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
  2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
  3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this.. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:46, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

22 October 2019

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Quacks like a duck. Similar name to other socks, and first edits already about SEPTA diesel service. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Global lock requested on meta: [11]. Mz7 (talk) 00:45, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

15 November 2019

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Per WP:DUCK. Username and editing pattern (singular interest in Philadelphia/NJ rail lines, train stations, and shopping places) are same as previous socks. Also, Draft:Go! Retail Group had to be protected from creation because of repeated recreation by The Train Master's prior socks and TheWanamakerBuilding has created a draft on the same topic at User:TheWanamakerBuilding/sandbox. Deli nk (talk) 18:16, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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16 November 2019

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WP:DUCK. Continuation from yesterday, needs to be rangeblocked. Cards84664 (talk) 05:49, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As before, same obsession with referring to PATH as commuter rail (it isn't) [12] [13] [14] [15], and their major tell is editing mall articles.
Also pinging @Pi.1415926535: and @NinjaRobotPirate:. Cards84664 (talk) 23:26, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Understood. Cards84664 (talk) 17:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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04 March 2020

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Same interest in abandoned Pennsylvania railroad stations, malls, and tv shows as previously. Even made an edit to a draft by a previous sock. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NinjaRobotPirate: Also consider blocking 71.246.25.23, which recently became active again on February 24th, KittyCatRosco created a category added by the ip to three articles. Cards84664 01:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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8 May 2020

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The usual, edits to malls and railroad categories. Cards84664 01:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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18 July 2020

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The usual, disruptive edits to railroad related articles, warned multiple times already. Cards84664 05:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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19 July 2020

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Block evasion from yesterday's IP. Cards84664 19:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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03 March 2021

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WP:Duck. Similar content area. Michael Greiner 00:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Edits don't look similar. "Train enthusiast" username, editing articles about railways - is that distinctive enough that it must be the same person? Peter James (talk) 20:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it either. Plus they don't normally use edit summaries, this one does. Cards84664 22:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this article is frequented by socks, but I'm not sure this editor is one. I did delete a few of their Commons uploads as copyright violations. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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11 July 2021

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Same focus on trains and malls/store chains. Cards84664 22:33, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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06 September 2022

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The usual two interests: retail chains, and former rail services/stations in Pennsylvania. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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19 September 2022

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Same as past socks - overlap of former train stations in Philadelphia, and retail chains. This post refers to drafts that past socks have created. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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29 December 2022

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Same deal as previous socks: overlap of former Philadelphia-area rail stations and retail chains and malls, and same habits like tangential posts on talk pages. IP has been active and stable for two months, so I request a block even if they do not edit for a few days. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Callanecc: The giveaway is the overlap between the two disconnected subjects - the editor interaction makes it pretty clear. For some near-identical diffs, compare previous sock and this IP on Mall of America, and this IP and previous sock on Tioga Central Railroad. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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14 July 2024

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Same unusual overlap of retail stores and Philadelphia-area trains. Almost every article has also been edited by previous socks. Note identical edits to previous socks here (previous) and here (previous). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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15 July 2024

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Repeating the same edits as yesterday's sock. Already requested a block at AIV, but reporting here for the record. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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