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Suspected sockpuppets

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Both Battlecry and Rocketman116 have an userbox for an obscure American political movement known as the Technocracy movement and both added the userbox to their profiles on the same date: 15 July 2010, 11 minutes apart in time when they added the infobox to their user profiles. Also both users are currently discussing in the same section of the Talk:Socialism. Here is Battlecry's edit that put the technocracy movement user box into her/his user profile: [1] at 5:58 on 15 July 2010. Here is Rocketman116's edit that put the technocracy movement user box into her/his user profile [2] at 6:09 on 15 July 2010. It is an abuse of multiple accounts case because at Talk:Socialism, Rocketman116 is saying "I agree with Battlecry" - using Rocketman116 as a sockpuppet to make it appear as if Battlecry has the support of another user - as can be seen here [3].--R-41 (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have been on Wikipedia far longer than Battlecry or R-14; since December of 2006. I made my user account, while I was in high school. My writing style is totally different from his. You can gladly look at my posting record to know I differ greatly from Battlecry. Why not look at my IP, while you’re at it. R-14 I was told to post something for Battlecry, which I did. I have been following your posts on socialism...since I sort of have that that page followed. I've known Battlecry for over four years. I talk to Battlecry every now and then in my free time on MSN Chat. Often we have been talking about the post R-14 makes, which has come to my attention over R-14's very bad misinformation on the topic.

Battlecry told me to edit my user page since I left it blank. I was the person who gave Battlecry the Technocracy banner from another user who had it. What R-14 did not tell is how I made various other edits on July 15th, but I doubt that won't be brought up by the other party.

Also I feel this accusation is being used by R-14 to discredit myself and Battlecry in the talk page. What this means is R-14 asserts that both of us are the same entity thus what we say won't be taken into account by other users. --Rocketman116 (talk) 12:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your editing account says that your first edit was on 15 July 2010, I do not understand why it shows 2006 - one case may be that you have used other account names, and that does not help alleviate suspicion against abuse of multiple accounts. The I initiated this investigation when saw the same infoboxes of the obscure technocracy movement and that made me think that something is wrong, it is worth investigating because both accounts have run for a long time without such investigation. So Rocketman116, you are saying that you and Battlecry both coincidentally added the obscure technocracy infobox on the same day - 15 July 2010 - and only 11 minutes apart? 11 minutes - that's too incredible for me to judge that as coincidence. Also, there is no evidence that you gave the banner to Battlecry - Battlecry posted it first and then 11 minutes later you had it, with no evidence of a discussion. first Also, you say "I was told to post something for Battlecry" - that sounds at least like Wikipedia:Canvassing - or do you mean you have access to Battlecry's account and edit through it? If so that is even more suspicious and seems to be sockpuppetry. Plus if you are two different users who personally know each other and are teaming up on editing pages - that clearly sounds like canvassing; and that if you two are both different users and are talking about me behind my back on MSN that no one can see, unlike on Wikipedia's talk pages where all can see what has been said, that is very deceitful and uncivil.--R-41 (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand this comment. Rocketman's account was created on 22 December 2006, and made 14 edits on that date, and dozens more before 15 July 2010, as can be seen easily on his user contributions page. What leads you to the conclusion (which you repeat several times) that the first edit was on 15 July 2010? RolandR (talk) 11:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IP addresses change from the location they are sent from, for instance, if someone didn't sign in and edited as an anon user at a library, the IP address would be different, usually the IP address catches sock puppets but not always. I note that the only thing that Rocketman is using to defend herself/himself from the charge of sockpuppetry is by making a claim and you happen to talk over MSN with this other person - highly unusual for Wikipedia users who usually do not know each other personally. I would like to see clear evidence for such MSN discussions with the time and dates of such discussions - even if it has to be print-screens of such discussions uploaded here for review, and those should be accomodated with other evidence as well - since people can fake a print screen with a good hand at a paint program. Again the 11 minute difference on the same date between the two edits that added the same userbox plus the same Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians (AIW) userbox is simply too coincidental to me - the idea that both Battlecry and Rocketman116 who both have the AIW userbox both decided add the same infobox at almost exactly the same time within 11 minutes with no evidence of any Wikipedia discussion between them on it, is phenomenal if it is a coincidence - the odds of that happening by coincidence would be something like 1 in a million.--R-41 (talk) 18:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but this seems pretty thin. Do you have any other evidence of a connection beyond the shared userbox and agreement on the talk page. TNXMan 18:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First of all the user box was added on exactly the same day: 15 July 2010 and the two added this to their profiles' only 11 minutes apart. They both edit the same material - topics on socialism, and are both interested in the very obscure technocracy movement. Look at the space of time between Battlecry's edit diff and Rocketman116's edit, they added the same userbox within eleven minutes: 5:58 15 July 2010 for Battlecry [4] and 6:09 15 July 2010 for Rocketman116 [5].--R-41 (talk) 19:10, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to having the same technocracy movement userbox that each added only 11 minutes apart (5:58 15 July 2010 for Battlecry and 6:09 15 July 2010 for Rocketman116) both have the "Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians" userbox, Battlecry added it on 12 July 2009 as seen here [6], while Rocketman116 had the userbox immediately upon the user profile being created on 15 July 2010 as seen here [7].--R-41 (talk) 23:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think what Tnxman307 is saying is that perhaps this could be two online friends who happen to agree with each other or who share the same interests, as opposed to being the same person. --MuZemike 18:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Agree with MuZemike. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 22:35, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence should be presented by Battlecry and Rocketman116 for their claimed online conversations on MSN - such as printscreens that show the time and date they were sent. Secondly, this is a case where the IP address should be investigated. I addressed this issue because their user accounts are highly similar and that they posted exactly the same userbox on the same day within 11 minutes of each other posting it - the idea that they would both be online on the same day, at the same time, inform each other of the infobox and both mutually support adding it to their infoboxes within 11 minutes of each other is highly coincidental and suspicious to me. Furthermore, the Rocketman116 account immediately opened with the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians on it - Rocketman116 claims he joined in 2006, but her/his editing history shows that he/she began editing in 2010 - why the disrepency? did he/she use a different account before then? and why does Rocketman116 seem to agree with everything that Battlecry does - the technocracy userbox and the AIW userbox - if they are not the same person then they are either brothers or sisters, or personally know each other outside of the cyberspace world.--R-41 (talk) 21:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]