96.233.40.199 out themselfs on the Tree shaping talk page in recap. "Please note that this IP address and 96.233.40.199 are used by the same person (me) and that I'm a Wikipedian not a treescuptor. Reames has expressed approval that I've turned my attention to the article but has lately taken a very "hands off" approach citing his own WP:COI. No other editor has been involved recently, leaving me and User:Blackash to conduct what is basically a "slow-motion, no 3RR edit war" over these issues." then they sign with --208.59.93.238 (talk) 21:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)Blackash (talk) 10:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
See Defending yourself against claims.
Clerk note: I think the person was in two separate locations, as well. Keep ironing it out at WP:COIN. I would advise the anon, however, to set up an account if at all possible. –MuZemike 21:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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and separately but relatedly,
There have been multiple similar accusations at Talk:Tree shaping, over a wide time period, and the topic has now bubbled up again with new details. I am neither the accuser nor the accused, but I find the ongoing suggestively pejorative comments on the talkpage both disruptive and confusing, and I would like to get to the bottom of it so that all cards can be turned up, once and for all, and the matter can be closed. In addition to the prior formal investigation initiated by Blackash that is referenced by this request title, here is one of the many times this suggestion has been dangled before:
User:SilkTork previously did what I believe was a checkuser on both Slowart/Reames/208.91.143.205 and Griseum/208.59.93.238/96.233.40.199, here [3] and found no connection, but recent accusations (detailed below) indicate that User:Blackash still harbors the belief that this was not a thorough enough investigation and that a deeper form of evasion might be afoot.
To be clear, it is my belief that Slowart/Reames/208.91.143.205 is a single discrete individual, and that he has fully disclosed both his identity and his reasonable use of each of those logins. It is also my belief that Griseum/208.59.93.238/96.233.40.199 is another single discrete individual and that he too has fully disclosed both his identity and his reasonable use of each of those logins.
Here [4] is the substance of the new accusation by User:Blackash, as explained to another user User:Sydney Bluegum (User talk:Sydney Bluegum) who had requested here [5] an explanation for this comment here [6] by User:Blackash. I had also previously requested an explanation for the same comment here [7], here [8] and here [9], but one was not provided either on my talk page or on the article talk page.
This Talk:Tree shaping#Sockpuppet accusations is my comment on the matter, my request for resolution advice, and the advice I received from another user, E. Ripley, all following the rather cryptic response by Blackash to Sydney Bluegum's request for an explanation.
As I noted there, I am now beginning to think it is possible that User:Blackash (who has acknowledged both currently operating a WP:ROLE account, with her partner, under that username and previously having canvassed a private email list of 500 supporters to comment), and User:Sydney Bluegum (User talk:Sydney Bluegum) (who has confirmed a reason for posting as User:203.192.130.94) might be socks of each other, and could be fabricating the entire sockpuppet claim against Griseum and Slowart. If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize now to both all parties, and wish them all to know that I am filing this request only to get the whole mess out in the open, so that joyful editing can move on, free from any such suspicions.
Sydney Bluegum is a fairly new and entirely single-purpose Special:Contributions/Sydney Bluegum(so far) account, who commented recently in an RfM here: [10] directly influencing the outcome of that RfM, and who seemed (there) to very closely reflect the precise opinions and word choices as Blackash, and also seemed curiously similar here [11] and then again here [12].
Perhaps the Blackash>Sydney Bluegum and the Griseum>Slowart inquiries should be separated, but since they are very closely entwined (accusations having been made by one about two of the others), I want to acknowledge the possibility that I am now conflating them inappropriately. This is the first time I've ever submitted such a request, so please pardon me if the construction is improper in any way. One thing I know for certain is that I am a single discrete editor who's been editing in good faith for several years on a wide variety of articles and has no outside connection or dispute with any of these users, so hopefully I can and have remained neutral about the whole matter. That is my intent. I am not sure whether to place the template on each of their user talk pages to come and comment (or at Talk:Tree shaping#Sockpuppet accusations, as I do not wish to create further disruption to any of them, or to the page, all of whom (and which) have experienced more than their share.
Is any of this appropriate for checkuser? If it isn't, what's the proper procedure to put those matters to rest so we can all get on with improving the article, unhindered by doubts? Duff (talk) 06:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
From Griseum's first comments there has been a veiled hostility that would later become downright rude. Here is his first changes diff I disagreed and stated why on the talk page earlier edits. In response Griseum created this section Conflict of interest article ownership
If you read some of the comments that Griseum has made to me or about me there is a hostility inherent in his opinion about me. Here "I reject edits which are grammatically incorrect or sound like they are written by someone who hasn't quite mastered the English language". Yet he never corrected the grammar only removed my attempts at a compromise between my view and his. When I called a Truce they edited the page to suit themselves with edit summery of quote (supposed compromise does not reflect any of the edits i feel are important. WTF? Griseum most recent comment to me was WOW "Wow. Really? Wow. W:OR and W:V are essentially opposites, and W:N we are not debating. User:Blackash, if your intention was to make me feel so sorry for you that I'd walk away for a while out of sheer embarassment for both of us, you've suceeded. --Griseum (talk) 11:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)".
Richard Reames has pointed to Griseum's user page as a reference about me to other editors example[13]. Griseum's page is less than complimentary [14]. I believe Griseum is the bad hand of Richard Reames while Slowart/Reames is the good hand of Richard Reames. Blackash have a chat 12:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
208.91.143.250 comment on SilkTorks talk page innocent word made references to specific events that have happened around the word Arborsculpture to do with me (Blackash) and made a statement about how I had upload photos of theirs. The only photos I have ever uploaded with out permission was Richard Reames. So I wrote a comment saying quote "@ 208.91.143.205 Hi Richard Reames Blackash (talk) 00:12, 8 February" 2010 (UTC) Then on my talk page an editor angrily responded to my comment of "Hi Richard Reames", starting a section Hi Richard Reames as though I was talking to them personally. But they signed as Griseum. Then four seconds later removed the whole comment from my talk page. When this inconsistency was pointed out on SilkTork's talk page innocent word. Griseum's reply was quote "Sigh. I'm never used 208.91.143.250 and my note on User talk:Blackash was an error that was removed 4 seconds later. I do make errors, and I'm a little stupid dyslexic with numeric sequences sometimes"
I'm asserting that Griseum didn't reply to a number but that he replied to the text of my comment as though it was personal. My comment was to Richard Reames. I believe Richard forgot who he was sign in as, when he replied on my talk page. After saving the page and seeing the wrong signature he tried to correct the mistake by deleting the comment from my talk page. If it was a number problem he could have edited his comment to fix the number. Blackash have a chat 12:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
See Defending yourself against claims.
Comment Could someone please check the behavioral evidence before closing this case? Blackash have a chat 01:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I am new to editing and have been reading these pages for months before I made my first comments and commented on how I see (read ) the situation. I made a comment from my research about a marketing funnel flowing from arboursculpture. This was not commented on by any editors so I take that as everyone is in agreement. Rather than focusing on the comments I have been attacked. Is this a wiki record for sock puppet accussation after 4 edits??? I am not the partner of anyone or am anyones sock puppet, meat puppet or anything else Duff or the arboursculpture camp would like to call me.I stated previously that I was interested in the artform and wanted to learn about different methods of tree training. I dont believe I have to state anything futher about myself. Sydney Bluegum (talk) 09:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I did not log in when my number came up and I explained this previously.
Clerk endorsed to check on the registered accounts in the first group (Blackash/Sydney Bluegum) and in the second group (Slowart/Reames). As far as Griseum is concerned, we normally do not use CU to publicly establish connections/nonconnections between users and IPs, and that goes for the rest of the IPs mentioned, as well. –MuZemike 20:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
With no comment on any of the IPs, all of the accounts look unrelated to each other. That said, I managed to do a good job of confusing myself when I looked at the technical data, so please let a second checkuser look over the data too before closing this case. --Deskana (talk) 20:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Since no other checkusers have bothered to look at this in these five days that this has been sat here, I'm going with all accounts being Unrelated. As usual, I make no comment on the IPs. --Deskana (talk) 22:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)