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Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the target article and the redirect unclear. Per the edit history of the redirect, seems the intent of this term was to correlate with the subject at Handheld game console. However, this term has been WP:SEO'ed on third party search engines to apparently establish that this phrase exclusively refers to Steam Deck. (This redirect is a ((R with history)).) Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Deck-building game or maybe just Playing card (which is where Deck of cards also goes), or Card game. Googling "game deck" (including quotes) supports this. Steam deck doesn't refer to itself as a "game deck" (google results for "game deck" (no quotes) showing Steam Decks are just because the the Steam Deck plays/allows purchase of games. BugGhost🦗👻10:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The section where this redirect targets is not currently in the target article. The target article does mention the word "demographics" 4 times, but it does not seem as though there is a proper location/section within the article to target this redirect. Also, leaving the redirect to target the base article title Video game could be unhelpful since readers would have to hunt down in various places what they are trying to find, and even then, they may not find what they are looking for. I'm thinking this redirect may be a WP:REDLINK deletion candidate. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The word "type" is incredibly vague/ambiguous here. Is it meant to refer to genre (action, adventure, etc.), platform (PC, console, etc), medium (cartridge, CD, digital, etc.)? No idea. Steel1943 (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Video game genre. Google searching "video game type" comes up with multiple of pages thinking you mean video game genre (without the "did you mean" hatnote!), and the two words are synonyms anyway. mwwvconverse∫edits23:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I think the target works with the significant home computer game history on the PC game article and is not comparable to the computer game redirect result. A disambiguation hatnote was added to the video game article by me, maybe add something similar to PC game? IgelRM (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. (Also bundled in 'MOAG'.) I can't find any evidence online of usage. Seemingly just the creator's personal invention/modification of 'MOG'/multiplayer online game. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This redirect seems vague/unclear, specifically since the redirect uses the word "gamers" instead of "games", as well as the word "online". Between several topics including the current target, Multiplayer video game, Massively multiplayer online game, Gamer and/or subtopics, amongst others, it does not seem clear where this redirect should target, if anywhere. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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wouldn't it be wacky if "land" was a common word in game boy game titles, "2" was a common number in game sequels, and there were at least 2 other games with both of them? cogsan(nag me)(stalk me)20:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I was going to say disambig, but it's had 3 hits in the last year, and all the suggested contents (plus I-Land 2: N/a) don't actually go by the name "Land 2" - so delete looks like best option. BugGhost🦗👻10:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. A priestess is a female priest, therefore the topic is clearly the covered by the article at priest. I've never heard the term used in connection with the origination of women, and would be frankly rather WP:ASTONISHed if the redirect went there. — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated the other redirect Female priest in case we want to change it to Priest for consistency.
@Amakuru: You "never heard the term ... the origination of women, and ... WP:ASTONISHed"?
Keep per Shhhnotsoloud - if someone prepends "female" to this then the topic is most likely to refer to ordination of women — User:Amakuru15:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. That is what I've been attempting to accurately do.
Personal bias disclosed: I use the title. And it is legally valid in my region.
Whilst I am a minority to use it in my particular faith tradition, I know many other women in ministry of different faiths, who also sincerely use it for official purposes. As well
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Speedy Delete as G7 - oh yeah, totally my mistake when I created the article and moved it to the right title. If I was admin I would have moved without leaving a redirect. I'm the only revision so totally should be a quick G7. Ben · Salvidrim!✉21:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This has twice been deleted as an attack page, once by Liz and once by Isabelle Belato. While it does impute a motive to the gunman, it also strikes me as a plausible redirect. Hence my taking it here for further discussion as to a correct outcome. If deletion is decided to be appropriate I would suggest the page be salted. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? CFA💬19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It meets this criterion as it is inherently negative and misleading. Redirects implying the death or assassination of a living person can have serious reputational impacts. In the case of a high-profile individual like Donald Trump, such implications can be considered defamatory and harmful. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 19:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the redirect does not disparage character, its misleading nature and potential to cause harm align with the reasons for which similar pages have been deleted. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 19:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Neveselbert who is the living person being attacked? Can you explain a bit further how they're being attacked? I'm entirely willing to admit I might be missing something (and indeed did a sanity check before declining and bringing it here given that two admins I respect had already deleted it as G10). Barkeep49 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am also someone who regularly patrols and deletes G10s and so knowing what the community consensus was felt like an appropriate step to take. For me, it seems like WP:RNEUTRAL would allow this title to me if it wasn't a BLP violation. So far it's not clear how Trump is harmed by someone saying he was assassination any more than Obama is harmed by the listed example around his being a Muslim in our redirect guideline. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if not a direct attack, implying false events about living persons can contribute to defamation and misinformation. The potential harm is in the misinformation and the sensational nature of the title. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 20:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It suggests that an assassination occurred, which is not true, creating an initial impression that can confuse readers before they even reach the accurate target article. This misinformation arises from the misleading nature of the redirect itself, causing unnecessary alarm. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a big exaggeration. It is not going to confuse or alarm anyone. If they visit the redirect, they will be sent to the appropriate page which clarifies what actually happened. CFA💬23:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
People might see the redirect title in search results or links without visiting the page, leading to the spread of the misinformation that his assassination took place. The mere existence of such a redirect title can propagate false information. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. CFA💬19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't think it falls under G10 (Assassinate Donald Trump would be a blatant G10 violation, not sure about this title), but it is very misleading and inaccurate, does not seem to fall under WP:RPURPOSE, and does appear to fail WP:R#DELETE #2... as Neveselbert already said, it is as plausible of a search term for the event in question as Killing of Donald Trump or Death of Donald Trump... he was not assassinated, no one that has heard anything about the event is going to think he was assassinated, thus no one is likely to be searching for the Assassination of Donald Trump... and I think I also agree with it being SALTed, until (if) it is ever a true statement, at which point we would obviously need to create a new article using this title... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not an attack page. Valid member of Category:Redirects from incorrect names. Falls under WP:PURPOSE: Serve content to readers matching their query. We know what topic they want to read an article on, so we serve them that article. That is the purpose. They misidenfied the nature of the thing or used imprecise words to refer to the thing—they land at the correctly titled article about the thing where they can get knowledge. What else is the purpose?—Alalch E.21:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About WP:R#D2: That's for redirects that can cause confusion in the scenario that the wrong idea about what something is persists or is reinforced after reading the title of the page you land on and its first sentence as well, at least. Here, there is no such confusion, because if someone thinks that Trump was killed (esoteric scenario) they will be told in the first sentence that he survived, and "Attempted assassination" is clear enough in itself. If someone was to use imprecise words, failing to distinguish between an assassination and an attempted assassination, while knowing that Trump was not killed in the event (the actual, real, scenario), there would be no confusion to begin with. So that reason to delete a redirect does not apply. It's for more ambiguous cases where the redirect title denotes an incorrect idea that can plausibly get reinforced after arriving at the page, because the start of the page does not directly contradict and dispel the idea. —Alalch E.22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, very plausible search term, not at all an attack page unless I'm missing some article history in the deleted versions. I don't think people will always slide in "attempted" when searching for events. We have the 2024 Bolivian coup redirect as a recent example. CMD (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a plausible search term. To get things out of the way, it did not meet G10 as it does not disparage Donald Trump, nor is it defamatory, so I don't understand how it was deleted twice by different administrators as that. Also, to imply that this title is somehow equivalent to "Attempted of Donald Trump" is highly inappropriate – that title would not make grammatical sense and would not be a plausible search term. (As a full disclosure, I found out about the G10s from an off-wiki discussion; I was not asked to vote one way or the other and I wasn't selectively notified). Sdrqaz (talk) 03:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Very clearly a plausible search term and not even close to being a G10 candidate and I'm shocked that two experienced administrators would think otherwise. In addition to the points made above it's plausible for a non-native speaker not to realise that "assassination" refers specifically to an event that resulted in the targetted person's death rather than an attempt whether successful or otherwise. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep agree with Thryduulf its not a G10 and that people might not now that the intended victim survived so while its arguably inaccurate its not completely as it was still an attempt. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trump, being declared dead. He's sued for less, not that I expect him to be reading WP redirects or WP. Alternative titles would be "feline" and "cat" but only Schrodinger's cat can be both alive and dead. "Assassination" is not another term for "attempted assassination", it's another term for killing or murder. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖20:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the people on the list are dead now, so they're past feeling anything, and I wouldn't worry about complaints from people who faked their own deaths, such as the fugitive sex offender under 'A'. Maybe I should switch my comment to "keep" since Trump's description of the aftermath has a distinct biblical Easter vibe (When I rose surrounded by Secret Service, the crowd was confused because they thought I was dead. And there was great, great sorrow) — nah. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖12:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - plausible search term. I don't see this as eligible for G10 and I don't agree that the existence of the redirect means, in any way, that Wikipedia is saying the assassination was successful. For those who think there was an "assassination of Donald Trump," the redirect to the article about the attempted assassination will educate them. Misleading and inaccurate redirect titles that redirect the reader to accurate articles are helpful. It's just like "Trump assassination" or other variations. Levivich (talk) 03:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you think it should be deleted then nominate it, but I will recommend keeping that for exactly the same reasons as I am recommending keeping this one - it's useful and not at harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I deliberately searched this, expecting a redirect, because I didn't want to bother adding "attempted". A redirect can be inaccurate (e.g. any ((r from misspelling)) and still be a useful search term Mach6115:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is indeed an incorrect title. But ((r from incorrect name)) does exist, and it exists precisely for the sorts of situations where a reasonable search term is factually incorrect. I have myself searched this in the searchbar, expecting it to come to the page on the attempted assassination, and was brought here as a result; the redirect is clearly useful. I also do not see how this is an attack page. I simply do not think it can reasonably read to disparage, threaten, intimidate, or harass any particular person—the application of the ((r from incorrect name)) tag makes this all quite clear—and the usefulness for search renders the idea that the redirect serve no other purpose than disparagement, threat, intimidation, or harassment to be untenable. — Red-tailed hawk(nest)01:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per Adolphus, unless we have precedent for creating similar redirects for failed assassination attempts. Jay 💬18:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding these. They are not precedents, they bad redirects and may be deleted as well. Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt was created last year, and the poorly capitalized Assassination of hitler was created some months back by a user now blocked. Jay 💬05:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and speedy. This whole region is very complicated dialectally and in terms of terminology, and so things had to change. Vininn126 (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I believe it is referring to the cross on the flag. See the infobox ("Cross of Resistance flag of the Lebanese Forces militia, adopted in 1984"). Probably rarely used but no harm in keeping it. CFA💬19:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign
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Keep and add special Rcat. Catching the opposite of something is a valid reason to create a redirect pointing to the opposite of the redirect (for as long as we don't have an article about it specifically). However, we usually tag such redirects with ((R from opposite)) to improve reverse loopup capabilities, and this is what we should do here as well. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep but move to Varsity (TV series) since the subject is not a film per se, and the word "upcoming" is unnecessary IMO; also mention that "Varsity" was the original title of the series before production began. CycloneYoristalk!01:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk·contribs·email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general electionThe Bannertalk18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the target talk page. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬17:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I was surprised to see this term has a clear primary topic - Sonic Adventure. Normally that would result in a recommendation to retarget, but the phrase is not mentioned in that article or anywhere else in article space (other than two passing mentions that would not make a good target). Thryduulf (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This is exactly what I don't understand. Should it be every time an editor/IP editor creates a "cheap" rdr to half-/full-capitalized link like this? Intrisit (talk) 07:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above. @Intrisit: if someone creates a redirect from a plausible capitalisation then that is a good indication that they find it useful, which is a good reason for the redirect to exist. Redirects are cheap, and that means that they should not normally be deleted unless they are specifically harmful in some way - and a nomination for deletion needs to express that reason. Thryduulf (talk) 13:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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not the biggest volcano nerd out there, so sorry in advance for any uninformed claims, but from reading the target and other related articles, there seem to be no other celestial bodies that meet the criteria of being a "world", currently having volcanic activity, and being in the solar system, though mercury is a strong "maybe". on another note, i'm not entirely sure "active world" is a term used to refer to volcanic activity, and the creator of the redirect (who seems to have made it as an essay) seemed to have also been referring to geysers, and counting moons as "worlds". for results. wikipedia gave me an mmo (shoutouts to hitomi fujiko), google gave me assorted apps and brands, and wiktionary gave me nothing. unless there's a detail i'm missing or this is a scientific term that refers to celestial bodies with volcanic activity, i'll vote for deletion cogsan(nag me)(stalk me)17:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a better redirect at this time as is this not a redirect with potential.?
Jury is out on definition of volcano as noted in the article itself and presumably meaning of world. Planet and moon are more accurate terms. Many "worlds" are active in some way as they are above absolute zero and may have internal or external entropy sources that disturb their surface however that is defined. Someone could get a good article out of this so my vote is to retain in hope someone will do the job, unless there is a better redirect. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think "Active worlds" is too ambiguous to justify keeping "Active worlds in the Solar System" as a redirect to Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies. I also have not found any other suitable redirect targets because the problem is the lack of meaning in the redirect's title rather than a problem with any targets of the redirect. I recommend delete. GeoWriter (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The term is despite limited google results not novel, see this graphic which seems to go beyond volcanoes, "volcanically active world in our solar system" is also used. This abstract refers to "active worlds" as anything "geophysically" active. The current redirect does seem to not encompass the full scope, but it's also not the most strictly defined term. Perhaps Lists of geological features of the Solar System may be better, but deleting it may also be an option. CMD (talk) 03:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This is misleading. Vance is currently not the Vice President nor has he ever been the Vice President. Pages like this for candidates who have been VP were not created until after the election. Wozal (talk) 15:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Redirects are not required to be neutral (WP:RNEUTRAL) and the article explains that he is a nominee in the first sentence. This redirects helps confused readers get correct information. Catalk to me!16:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ca Are you reading a different WP:RNEUTRAL than I am? In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. There are no sources to verify the name "Vice President Vance", and none are likely to be proffered. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Here again, WP:RNEUTRAL makes it clear that an established term that is used in WP:RS are what should be an exception and kept, not made-up terms that aren't sourced. —Locke Cole • t • c02:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fox News: What do political strategists think of a Vice President Vance?
A lot of popular news media use "Vice President Vance" as a term for a hypothetical future where Trump and Vance wins. Readers may see these terms and search it up on Wikipedia, neglecting to add "nominee". It is not misleading since the article target corrects the mistake, in the off-chance that the mistaken reader (probably non-American who never heard about this person) genuinely thinks Vance is the current Vice President. Catalk to me!06:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's my fault for not being specific enough, but sources that speak of a hypothetical name aren't really sufficient to justify this. This term isn't "established" as all uses are either direct quotations of politicians hoping for this or indirect uses just using the term as a "what-if" title. And to some extent WP:CRYSTALBALL applies here, obviously. —Locke Cole • t • c05:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also do not understand the vague references to CRYSTALBALL. Wikipedia aren't claiming any predictions by having a incorrect or hypothetical future search term lead an article that has the correct context.
I see readers using this redirect for two reasons:
1) Clueless readers thinking Vance is really the vice president due to being unfamiliar with US politics or being misled by headlines like "What do political strategists think of a Vice President Vance?".
2) Those who know Vance is a nominee, but still neglected to add it as a keyword since it is longer.
Retarget to Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign. Obviously, per WP:CRYSTAL, the redirect should not stay pointing to its current target. However, he is already being referred to as a hypothetical Vice President Vance and thus this redirect should exist, pointing to the article which describes his possibility of becoming vice president. 222.154.34.197 (talk) 08:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak DABify - This is the title of the first episode of The Wacky Adventures of Ronald McDonald, and also for the movie Open Season: Scared Silly. I'm uncertain if the Open Season movie is the WP:PTOPIC for the phrase "Scared Silly" specifically, and google shows that it's the title of more things as well, such as a children's novel by Elizabeth Eulberg (no wiki-page), a picture book by Marc Brown (author) (very famous author), a stage play by Peter Bloedel (probably not notable), and likely many more... as this is a common English expression as well! Google does show the movie a bit more prominently than the other entries, mind you, so the PTOPIC argument can certainly be made, but that's why my DABify !vote is weak. Although I will say, if a PTOPIC is established, a disambiguation page should probably be made alongside it and hatnoted. Fieari (talk) 06:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Since Rosguill saw no worth in having content for this title out of GNG concerns, I've listed it here for a possible deletion. Intrisit (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The answer to your question is to check the last two log screens of this page's page history and understand why I nominated this. Intrisit (talk) 08:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Readers may believe there be multiple publication with the name "The Economic Times", and add a natural-looking disambiguator (India) to disambiguate it. Seems clear and useful to me. Catalk to me!16:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Retarget per above. Even if this wasn't a ((R from move)) it would be a plausible search term for someone who knows one album exists but doesn't know about the other. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The redirect points to the M4 article, because the Leica MD-2 is a simplified derivative of the Leica M4-2. I have added a sentence about it including a reference to the article. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete for trailing full stop. From Search, the slogan (or rather press release headline) appears to have been "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep, as this is the product's slogan. Even if "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone" is the full phrase, strictly speaking, "Apple reinvents the phone" is the concise form which became arguably more popular, and which also gets many search hits. As can be seen from the edit summary, the user who requested the deletion has withdrawn the application anyway.--Maxeto0910 (talk) 13:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Among the main purposes of a redirect is that users who can't remember something's name exactly can still find it nonetheless when they type something similar in Wikipedia's search bar. That's also why likely or frequent misspellings are allowed as redirects. Therefore, I see no problem in having a period here since users may assume that this slogan ends with a period since it's a complete sentence. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as slogans are valid encyclopedic entries for historically interested people. We usually link to the corresponding product or company, tagging the redirect with ((R from slogan)), unless the slogan became so commonly known that we have a dedicated article about it. (Not an iPhone fan at all, but anyway.) --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete The slogan is unnecessarily long and clearly promotional. Instead something like Phones by Apple Inc. might be useful. IgelRM (talk) 13:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the full slogan, there's the malformed period at the end, it includes the company name (so at best only marginally useful for "hey, I remember that slogan, but not what it's about, let's ask Wikipedia"), and it's not targeted at "an article or section of an article about the slogan" like ((R from slogan)) says it is. Too many things wrong here. Search is sufficient; it'll find the mention in IPhone (1st generation)'s infobox without this redirect's help. Delete. —Cryptic16:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I explained why I don't think it's a problem that the slogan is not the exact official one and includes a period.
Also, I don't see it as a problem that the redirect includes the name of the company of the product since there are many iPhone models and the slogan could potentially apply to many of them. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This may be a case of WP:CITOGENESIS as a similar term "iPhone Apple reinvents the phone." was added to the target in 2011, and then changed to the redirect term under discussion in 2012 by 66.121.52.2. Later, external websites may have picked it up. Fix the slogan at the Infobox or keep the redirect. Jay 💬18:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. And since the slogan in the shortened, unofficial form has arguably gained more media coverage and popularity (probably because it is more concise), the redirect should be kept. Nonetheless, the slogan in the infobox should be corrected to the arguably less popular full version and get a redirect as well, simply because it's the official one. Maxeto0910 (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]