Eustrombus gigas

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I've listed this article for peer review in order to prepare it for a future FA candidacy. A considerable amount of new information has been added since the GA nomination.

A complete MOS review is a dire need.

Thanks, Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Casliber

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First sentence is ungainly. I'd drop the fromer scientific name from here and go with:

" Eustrombus gigas, commonly known as the queen conch, is..."

 Done Agreed! I understand, since S. gigas is already listed as a synonym in the taxobox, repeating that information in the intro would be rather redundant.--Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is "Caribbean faunal zone" in quotation marks?

 Done This term needs a better definition. I will alter the text according to Spalding et al. 2007. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More recently, Simone (2005) gave a detailed anatomical description of the species - I'd prosify this by having the person's whole name and writing "in 2005" rather than year in parentheses.

 Done It's now prosified!--Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taenioglossan - a what?? (link or explain)

 Done That's true. It is now wikilinked.--Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The critical nursery habitats for juvenile individuals are defined by a series of combined factors, both habitat characteristics and ecological processes, which together provide high rates of both recruitment and survival - leaves us hanging - what are the factors?

 Done Added examples of each factor.--Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Small paras and segemented text are ungainly in Other uses section. Try to expand and/or combine paras.

 Done I reorganized the text from a logical point of view; First paragraph discusses other uses for queen conch shells altogether. The second one discusses conch pearls.--Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, promising. Taht's something to start on, more later. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help! Best, --Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ucucha

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 Done Text has been updated according to Spalding et al. (2007), and is now linked.Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Removed all the serial commas I could find. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Why not mix both ideas? Now all synonyms have citations to their original descriptions, and a reference that establishes them as synonyms is cited in the |synonyms_ref= field. Pretty much complete! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, that's what I also did, but I guess I wasn't quite clear here. :) Ucucha 15:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Though the information there may be supported by literature (they do cite some references now and then), there's nothing to make the site itself a reliable source. It has been removed. In fact, the statement about strombidae (or rather stromboidea in a wider sense) taxonomy may also be supported by Simone (2005), Latiolais (2006) and Landau (2008).
 Done Agreed, and removed. The article by Landau itself is quite enough. What you've said comes as a surprise... I really thought PaleoBase was a reliable source! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Not really, no. Linnaeus probably described the species based on a specimen from his personal collection, or such. That we'll never know. What we do know is that no such specimen survived the flow of time, and no type specimen existed until Clench & Abbott selected the figure-type from Recreatio mentis, in Johnsonia 1 (1). Daniel Cavallari (talk) 20:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done A few changes have been made by another user. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 17:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Paragraph removed! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 17:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, but there is a reason why to describe the shell before the rest of the animal's body. It's a standard procedure in malacology to divide anatomical descriptions into hard parts (mainly the shell) and soft parts (everything else but the shell). This procedure has been adopted by wikiproject gastropods. The vast majority of gastropod species descriptions are based on shell features. In most cases it's all you need to identify a specimen up to species level. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nevertheless, the shell is part of anatomy, and it is odd to have it outside the "Anatomy" section. Perhaps have an "Anatomy" section with subsections "Shell" and "Soft parts"? Ucucha 15:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible, yes. But before I do any changes, I'll have to discuss this topic with project gastropods.Daniel Cavallari (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 DoneI went ahead and decided to Be Bold and place shell description and soft parts description under one heading, Anatomy. As yet Project Gastropods does not have any FA articles, especially not species articles, so I assume we will have to be open minded and find out what works best for this by trial and error. Invertzoo (talk) 14:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll inspect this list closely. About the Brazilian distribution, as far as I know there is only one record of E. gigas off the northeastern Brazilian coast, and no voucher was deposited in any museum collection. Several Brazilian specialists believe this was a misidentification by the author, which got carried out in the literature. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 15:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Well, why not? I could create a stub, and a biographical memoir may be found here, for a future expansion. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 15:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Agreed, subsections removed. Is it an option to leave them there as bold text for organizational purposes? Daniel Cavallari (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I think the same arguments would apply against such bold text. Ucucha 15:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I agree, and it is not necessary in the end, since there are other reliable references for the same info. Removed. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That'll do for now; I'll probably have some more comments on reliability and consistency of references. Ucucha 00:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there Ucucha! Thank you very much for dropping by, and for your constructive criticism! I'll be reading and answering to each comment. Best wishes, Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Shyamal

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Thank you! We've been working in this article for quite a while, now. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is true, but I believe it is an interesting information nonetheless, even for the average reader...Daniel Cavallari (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

doi:10.1016/0165-7836(88)90005-7 doi:10.1051/alr/2009043 pdf pdf etc.

Hi Shyamal! I'm really happy that you responded to my invitation. Thank you! I'll be reading and answering to each comment ASAP. Best regards, Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Sasata

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 Done I rewrote the two first sentences in the intro, and now mentioned maximum shell length.Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Modified as suggested.Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Regional common names moved to the article body by user Invertzoo. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done True, that's odd... Removed!Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • "This was the first book that was ever published that was solely about seashells."
 Done Fixed. Invertzoo (talk) 19:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The shells are however shown as if balancing on the edge of the lip and/or the apex, impossible balance positions for these shells." awkward
 DoneTried to improve this, also can be omitted if preferred. Invertzoo (talk) 19:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Over a hundred years later, a later colored illustration" ?
 Done Sorry, a typo, now fixed. Invertzoo (talk) 19:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "… weighting up to 5 pounds."
 Done Sorry, another typo that was overlooked, now fixed. Invertzoo (talk) 19:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Added nbsp; to all occurrences (even to the taxobox... is this usual?) Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The taxobox automatically puts ((nowrap)) around the species name, so it's not necessary. Ucucha 15:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done True indeed. Rewrote all I could find. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Repositioned the reference. About the direct link to the original description, do you know any link we could use? Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One can find the book Systema Naturae via Google Books, here [1]. The genus Strombus is listed on page 80, but I have not yet located the species description, still looking. Invertzoo (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC) Oh, now I think this is probably not the 10th edition, so maybe does not have the species description in it? Invertzoo (talk) 00:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can say with a certain degree of certainty that it was a shell of the Linnean collection (but then I don't know a reference that clearly states this); Yet no one knows for sure, and no type specimen could be tracked. That's why Clench & Abbott designated a figure-type in the end.Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So now I've read this Catalogue of the Uppsala University Museum of Evolution, stating that the type specimen does exist, and is in the UUZM collection. It seems that Ohner (1953) found that S. gigas shell of the linnean collection, which Linnaeus used in his original description. I wasn't able to obtain this paper (or book, I don't really know), and it is not in the Zoological Record, but the UUZM catalogue should be reference enough, shouldn't it?.Daniel Cavallari (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Linked! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 13:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in fact, the shell of mature individuals have thicker outer lips. Generally, the older the specimen, the thicker the outer lip is! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you ...This is awkward, but there is still text to be written in order to fill up that space. Some other books are worth mentioning, such as Chenu (1840 -1850's) and Kiener (1870-1880's). I'll work on it. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Sorry, an oversight. Added 23 m. Invertzoo (talk) 19:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Have linked it and added "the". Invertzoo (talk) 19:58, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there Sasata! Thank you very much for dropping by. I'll be answering to each comment as soon as I can. Best wishes, Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:26, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Invertzoo

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I suppose I probably shouldn't really comment as peer review, because I have been too much involved in working on the article, but I just wanted to say:


Invertzoo (talk) 20:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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