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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 15:01, 8 July 2011 [1].

List of France national football team captains[edit]

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Nominator(s): JS^{Rant Away} 03:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the required featured list criteria and is important to its subject giving the importance of several of the players on the list. JS^{Rant Away} 03:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments quick ones... Don't think you need the cap note at all, the title (including "captains") is clear and unambiguous. Perhaps include the articles you link to as See also links if necessary. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] Don't like "This list of..." to start with, we stopped doing that a year or so ago. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] "captained France national football team to victory a" in English we'd say "captained the French national football team to victory" Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] 2 dab links - mediator, Pierre Bernard. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] " only 104 have served as captain of the national team." ditch "only". 1 in 8 isn't "only"-worth, and this is really POV. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] You link the first football to Football (soccer) then have a direct link to association football. Don't overlink, and be consistent. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] Merge first two sentences of the History section. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] 1904... went on .. in 1895.. back in time? Oops. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] "The team's next captain after Canelle was Pierre Allemane. Allemane had previously captained the..." -> "The team's next captain was Pierre Allemane who had..." Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] Explain FIFA before you abbreviate it. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] "in a major international competition " what is a "major international competition"? It is listed as a reference right next to the statement and explained there. — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] "alternated between the duo of Zinedine Zidane and Patrick Vieira" no need for "the duo of" Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] On my screen, Henry's picture is forcing the references to be squashed up on the left hand side. Consider using ((clear)) if you want to keep the image. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments quick ones...

Don't think you need the cap note at all, the title (including "captains") is clear and unambiguous. Perhaps include the articles you link to as See also links if necessary.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Don't like "This list of..." to start with, we stopped doing that a year or so ago.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"captained France national football team to victory a" in English we'd say "captained the French national football team to victory"
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
2 dab links - mediator, Pierre Bernard.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" only 104 have served as captain of the national team." ditch "only". 1 in 8 isn't "only"-worth, and this is really POV.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You link the first football to Football (soccer) then have a direct link to association football. Don't overlink, and be consistent.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge first two sentences of the History section.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
1904... went on .. in 1895.. back in time?
- Oops. Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The team's next captain after Canelle was Pierre Allemane. Allemane had previously captained the..." -> "The team's next captain was Pierre Allemane who had..."
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Explain FIFA before you abbreviate it.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"in a major international competition " what is a "major international competition"?
- It is listed as a reference right next to the statement and explained there. — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"alternated between the duo of Zinedine Zidane and Patrick Vieira" no need for "the duo of"
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On my screen, Henry's picture is forcing the references to be squashed up on the left hand side. Consider using ((clear)) if you want to keep the image.
- Done — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would reduce the mildly dubious section on a captain's duties here, and increase that which is relevant to France.
- Will take care of this when I got more time. — JS^{Rant Away} 23:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I removed the section. Doesn't that make the lead a little short though for a FLC? . — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well yes, it does seem short now, at just one paragraph. You could use another para which summarises the history section, e.g. identify first, most recent, most capped, most successful, least successful captains in the lead too. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Took care of a couple of those mention. Most recent is a tough one because, as of right now, there is no permanent captain. It is currently being rotated at the moment. — JS^{Rant Away} 23:02, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – History: "The first player to captain France in a major international competition while playing under FIFA was Andre Francois. Francois...". Try not to have the names repeat like this in the sentence transition. Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] Same goes for "One of the first permanent captains of the national team was Jean Ducret. Ducret...". This could probably be made into a single sentence without much trouble. Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] Don't need to link World War II twice in the span of two sentences. It may not even require a link at all, since it's such a well-known subject; how helpful is the link? Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] "the captaincy regularly alternated between Zinedine Zidane and Patrick Vieira. Vieira...". This is like the first two comments from me. Switching Zidane and Vieira around in the first sentence seems like the easiest possible fix. Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] I don't understand "injuries propelled his stint as captain". Propelled in this context would mean something different than what I think the intention is (that the injuries prevented him from serving as captain at that event). Was "curtailed" or similar what you meant? Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] "was the national team's all-time leading goalscorer Thierry Henry. Henry...". Another one of these repetitions. Might as well get it along with the others. Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] List of Captains: We already know from the title of the page that this is a list. Does it really need to be repeated here? I feel this would be better served as Captains, which is a bit simpler. In references 7, 9, 21, 25, 27, 30, 34, and 41 should all have the publishers italicized, as they're all printed publications. Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] What makes History in an Hour (reference 22) a reliable source? It appears to be a blog. Found a more reputable source. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] What makes The Soccer Room (reference 36) reliable? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] Removed source. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] One more from reference 35, which I missed the first time around: the contraction "haven't" should be removed in favor of "have not". Actually, I think this and reference 36 would be more accurately listed as notes, to distinguish them from the citations. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply] Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 22:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

History: "The first player to captain France in a major international competition while playing under FIFA was Andre Francois. Francois...". Try not to have the names repeat like this in the sentence transition.

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Same goes for "One of the first permanent captains of the national team was Jean Ducret. Ducret...". This could probably be made into a single sentence without much trouble.

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't need to link World War II twice in the span of two sentences. It may not even require a link at all, since it's such a well-known subject; how helpful is the link?

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"the captaincy regularly alternated between Zinedine Zidane and Patrick Vieira. Vieira...". This is like the first two comments from me. Switching Zidane and Vieira around in the first sentence seems like the easiest possible fix.

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand "injuries propelled his stint as captain". Propelled in this context would mean something different than what I think the intention is (that the injuries prevented him from serving as captain at that event). Was "curtailed" or similar what you meant?

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"was the national team's all-time leading goalscorer Thierry Henry. Henry...". Another one of these repetitions. Might as well get it along with the others.

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Captains: We already know from the title of the page that this is a list. Does it really need to be repeated here? I feel this would be better served as Captains, which is a bit simpler.
In references 7, 9, 21, 25, 27, 30, 34, and 41 should all have the publishers italicized, as they're all printed publications.

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What makes History in an Hour (reference 22) a reliable source? It appears to be a blog.

Found a more reputable source. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What makes The Soccer Room (reference 36) reliable? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed source. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One more from reference 35, which I missed the first time around: the contraction "haven't" should be removed in favor of "have not". Actually, I think this and reference 36 would be more accurately listed as notes, to distinguish them from the citations. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. — JS^{Rant Away} 22:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support no immediate issues for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. After a read today and a read yesterday, I don't see any issues. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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