Comments haven't looked at the prose
*Honours column. No need for microscopic font.
- Nationality. I'm not totally comfortable with "nationality" at the head of a column of countries and present-day flags. In sportsperson lists, the nationality is the country for which they played or were eligible to play sport. What does it mean in context of this list?
- it's not nationality in the FIFA sense, but in the wp:names sense. Wd you rather do w/o the column?
- I've had little to do with non-sporting lists, so had a look at various FLs that use a country or nationality column, and there's quite a difference in approach. List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry has a note at the top of the country column which explains the meaning of "country" in that list, and the FLC had a lengthy discussion on the matter. The lead of Rumford Medal implies that the nationality column refers to citizenship, but there are few sources. And Freedom Award's nationality column doesn't appear to have any rationale at all: David Dubinsky (born in what was then Russia and is now Belarus, lived in Poland from age 3 and went to the States as a teenager) is listed as Russian, David Sarnoff (born in what was then Russia and is now Belarus, went to the States age 9) is listed as American, and Prince Sadruddin Aga Khan is listed as all sorts of things.
- I have no issue with a column for nationality, even if it just means how the people concerned were described at the time (like English isn't really a nationality, but people were referred to as English whether technically they were or not). But, in my opinion, they do need sources, and they do need a note clarifying what "nationality" refers to.
- The flags should go, though. They add nothing apart from decoration, it's anachronistic to use modern-day flags, and we get into all sorts of complications about whether to use the historically-appropriate flag for when the person was born, when they were president, or what. I believe the Spanish flag changed on a regular basis during the 20th century.
- No flags now. If flags where used, they should be for when they became notable, i.e. were presidents (just like nationality). Of course that period can coincidence with flag-changes, but that is just the same problem with nationality. However I do think the use of historical flags (which is used all the time on es.wiki) wd add some nice historical information to the list. Sandman888 (talk) 12:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*What's the source for Otto Gmelin(g) being German? His FCB page doesn't give a nationality, and also spells him without the final 'g'.
- References. Please give the actual titles of the pages as the reference titles. e.g. the page cited at ref#5 is entitled From the 75th Anniversary to the European Cup (1974-1992), ref#12 is Managing Commission (2006), etc...
- Ref#1: the English for Athletic Club is Athletic Bilbao, so for clarity, that's what I'd use as the publisher (either instead of Athletic Club, or in brackets after it)
- the team is known as Athletic Bilbao, but the publishing entity is Athletic Club, since the other doesn't exist. I do not believe we use common name for publishers.
- Ref#3: needs a publication date
Ref#5: the page cited doesn't have a publication date, and if it did, I don't think it'd be 1992
*Ref#9 has lost its year retrieved
*Ref#6: I'd also question the reliability of Bleacher Report. Need to see some evidence of editorial control, fact-checking, etc.
this gives 240 results for Bleacher Report reports at cnn.com - see also http://bleacherreport.com/about
I'm aware that some of the articles first published on Bleacher Report are syndicated to other publications. But it's still a community where anyone can write an article, and from the FAQs I can't tell whether the editorial process concentrates on libel and literacy or whether it goes deeper than that. However, even if that writer's view of that part of the club's history is a reliable source, I can't find where it actually verifies "After the departure of Núñez in 2000 came some initial instability when Joan Gaspart took over the club in 2000." (hadn't noticed the repeated "in 2000" til I c&p'd that sentence :-)
- Uhh, rmvd second 2000. Have replaced source with cnn ref, and re-written to reflect that. Sandman888 (talk) 12:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- In the lead, you use both the Spanish and Catalan names for the Catalan championship. One or the other, presumably the Catalan, would be best. And you only need to link it on the first mention.
- Your general reference, and even the Catalan-language version, uses Hans rather than Joan Gamper.
- Joan Gamper is the common one (123.000 on google vs 12.000 for "Hans Gamper")
- Tomàs Rosés should have a grave accent not an acute
- But I'd definitely expect Montals father and son to sort under 'M' rather than 'C' and 'G' respectively?
- For information, the
link=off parameter in the date sort template isn't needed and advice is to remove it.
- date-script introduced it for some reason. Removed.
- Presume in the names, you've chosen to use just the one surname apart from to distinguish the Montals, but was wondering why Joaquim de Vargas rather than Joaquim Peris de Vargas?
- I don't understand that sentence.
- Sorry, I often fail to make myself clear. The Barca website lists him as Joaquim Peris de Vargas, and that's also the name of his WP page. If Vargas is his paternal surname, and Peris a forename, it seemed inconsistent to omit Peris when you included a second forename in Josep Lluís Núñez.
- I'm sure you'd know this better than me, but is it right that Narcís de Carreras etc should sort under 'd'?
- see Spanish naming customs
- At both the Spanish and Catalan WPs, Narcís de Carreras is sorted under 'C'. Also, Enric Martí Carreto is listed as Martí i Carreto, sorted under 'M', which looks to me like Martí is his paternal surname rather than a second forename.
- Good call on Martí. Hmm. Sometimes people include the de/De. I'm not sure whether they shd sort one way or the other, but I've changed to the catalan convention you presented.
- One thing you may want to consider in future, if you have what appears too much information for the lead section, is separating the detail into a history section, leaving a basic lead, as was done at List of Manchester City F.C. managers.
- made it as such. Now the lead is a presentation to what FC Barcelona is, which, I must remind you, is often requested by a non-football editor at PR.
- Indeed. Though as this article deals with the club's presidents, a brief presentation of the president's role and how he is chosen should also appear in the lead.
- wrote a bit more. If you think a more formal presentation of the presidency is in order I have the statues kicking about somewhere.
- Content's fine by me, maybe the new stuff in the prose could do with a look-over by a friendly native-speaker, if such exist Struway2 (talk) 19:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you vmi for the review. Hopefully all concerns have been addressed. Sandman888 (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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