- 3 CD Collector's Set (Rihanna album) (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
This debate was closed as keep by WilyD (talk · contribs) with 4 delete !votes, 1 merge !vote and 5 delete !votes. However, many of the delete votes were not policy-driven and most complied with WP:NOTAGAIN and other arguments to avoid. There was not consensus to keep this article, especially as the first AfD resulted in delete and the previous AfD drew no consensus. SplashScreen (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- there have been three AfDs. the first in September 2010 attracted minimal comments, both negative, & the article was deleted; the second, in May 2012, attracted mixed comments and was reasonably closed as non-consensus; this third attracted the same comments as in May, I might have closed as non-consensus, but it would probably have led to a third AfD right now which would also probably have given inconclusive results. This is not my usual subject, but it seems from the discussion there are two incompatible positions: On the keep side, it charted, which is the basic criterion as WP:MUSIC; on the delete, it's just a repackaging of 3 albums in one retail box which might seem by common sense worth a note, not an article. By analogy, the BOOKS guideline, though broad, wants more significant best seller status than "charted"; such repackaging would not have been kept as a set of books. Nor can I see anything similar kept in any other medium. As an outsider, I see this as an indication we need to be a little more subtle about wording the MUSIC criteria. DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd agree it might've been possible to close as no consensus rather than keep - the practical outcome is the same, so usually articles that're a bit gray in that respect don't merit quite a close a consideration as those on the no consensus/delete border. Perhaps I should've written weak keep? (I would have been willing to so qualify it if I'd been asked, rather than just informed a DRV was in progress.) WilyD 08:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- A no consensus close allows an editor to immediately relist the article AfD whereas a keep close generally keeps the article out of AfD for another three months. The practical outcome is not the same. Since a DRV has been started, I don't think you can change your close. Yes, the DRV lister should have asked you first before coming to DRV. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse close, somewhat reluctantly per DGG above. I don't think that a consensus to delete is present in the discussion. However, I also don't think that a consensus not to merge is clear. That is a "No Consensus" or a "Keep, without prejudice to further merge discussions" might be better closes. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The article's sourcing to Amazon is an embarrassment and the relialbe sources used in the article do not mention Rihanna's 3 CD Collector's Set. The delete argument regarding the lack of coverage in reliable sources for this album was not overcome. Wikipedia is a text based communication medium and an article that says "it charted" does not convey enough reliable source information to justify a stand alone article. I don't see how keep was the correct consensus close. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn to delete. The "keep" closure was in error because it ignored that none of the "keep" opinions substantially addressed the argument that the album apparently did not attract any reliably sourced third-party coverage, which was highlighted in the nomination and is a policy-level inclusion requirement per WP:V#Notability. The fact that the album may have been included on charts is not, per WP:BAND and WP:NALBUMS, a criterium for inclusion for an album, but only for the respective musician or ensemble, and therefore the "keep" arguments amounting to "it charted" should have been discounted. Sandstein 05:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn to no consensus there was no consensus to keep the article, nor to delete it, the Afd outcome was essentially the same as the previous nomination. Till 13:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse There clearly wasn't any consensus to either keep or delete the article. I would say "Overturn to no consensus" but that would be unnecessary and just a waste of time. Statυs (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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