- Robert A Foster (actor) (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
Restore. The page is about a young English Actor who first lead role was as Henry in Just William (2010 TV serial) Just William has just been nominated for 3 Baftas. This page has had many visitors to the page and people are intreated in him, if people did not want to know about him, they would not of visited the page but they did and you could see this from the visitor history before the page history was delete the other day, he had 560 visitors in 30days. He has done TV work, a Short Film and Modelling. It had good referencing and links to BBC News, IMDB and links to other wikipedia pages too. It met Notability guideline and Wikipedia:ARTIST, I do not feel it is TOO SOON as stated by some, he has had internet and press coverage . In a nutshell this page should not have been deleted and is of interest to people who wanted know about this actor. Just william Cast BBC Website Image of William (Daniel Roche) with the outlaws Ginger (Jordan Grehs), Douglas (Edward Piercy) and Henry (Robert Foster) in Just William,Cast up date on Just William Someone has also used info from his wikipedia page to make a Facebook public figure page. Please look at links Cast and Info about Just William IMDB Boy with the Chocolate Fingers as you can see this is just a few links.
Please remember lots of adults and children look at wikipedia to find out information and facts and just because it might not be what you like, some people did find the page interesting due to the amount of visitor.Gem09 (talk) 15:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Robert A Foster (actor) page has been active for nearly 10 months, so why remove it now ?? More information had been added over this time by myself and others.Gem09 (talk) 15:37, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn the close of "delete". I find it very difficult to understand why some people think that articles like this do not improve the encyclopedia. However, setting that aside, it seems to me that, although failing WP:ENT, the article arguably passes WP:GNG. So, I think we are in the area where editorial discretion may be used (either way) to decide on the fate of this article. At AfD the majority thought to "keep" and the arguments on both sides were (mostly) policy based. I think the reasonable consensus was to "keep". It is a severe disadvantage that the closing admin did not feel it necessary to provide a closing rationale and the reply on the closer's talk page describes "fail" as if it were a necessary result of applying the notability guidelines.[1] In cases such as this the guidelines are not based on hard "rules". I shall return here in a few days and change my !vote if a satisfying deletion rationale has emerged. Thincat (talk) 16:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't feel it neccessary to explain the rationale because the majority of the keep !votes were SPAs and not based in policy. MQS had the strongest argument. As you said, it feel within "editorial discretion" and I felt that MQS's argument made the discussion learn toward delete.--v/r - TP 17:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that if we've got to be careful with BLPs, then we've got to be really very careful indeed with biographies of living children. If this wasn't an article about a child, I think I'd be !voting to overturn, but the fact that it's a child makes me ultra-cautious and conservative about it, and I'm presently inclined towards weak endorse.—S Marshall T/C 16:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree you have to be careful with biographies of living children but there are many other child actors on Wikipedia, this page does not give details of school or town where he lives, as do some pages for other child actors. All information is available from different sites due to him acting which has been put together in one place for people. More links- Robert A Foster IMDB,Robert and Isabel Website.Gem09 (talk) 18:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- No British child is a professional performer. Our laws require that children (defined for this purpose as those under 16) are in education rather than practising a profession. (Some, such as the Harry Potter cast, are taught on set.) They can be well-paid for their amateur performances, but for all legal purposes, tax purposes, etc. they are students and not professionals. And I think that's the ethical stance as well. A child of this age has not made any decisions about what his profession might be.—S Marshall T/C 00:23, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse doesn't seem to meet the GNG. Press releases, blogs and cast lists don't meet the need for independent non-trivial sources in this context. Hobit (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse as original nominator. To me this seemed a clear case of failure to even met the minimal requirements of WP:ENTERTAINER:significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. This actor has been in a single notable TV series, but it is actually unclear how important his role was. He certainly wasn't the lead, nor was he nominated as a supporting actor[2]. Apart from that his accomplishments were a TV advert and a role in an as yet unreleased short film[3]. All the 3rd party references amounted to the mention of his name, if that, as can be seen by the links provided above. There were no significant sources that discussed the actor in the original article - nor were any provided in the AfD. Tassedethe (talk) 21:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you need to look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2010/wk51/all.shtml You are right Robert A Foster did not play the lead, but he was one of the five main leads, if you don't know the story of Just William (2010 TV serial) he played Henry an Outlaw and has been credited if you look on IMBD You seem to have a real problem with this page. why??? Everything was referenced and of interest which could be clearly seen from the number of visitor to the page, it may not be what you like but we all have our interests. He has done modelling since 2006 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4247744/resume and is listed on IMDB for Just William 2010 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1804877/fullcredits#cast as well as the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x50rn , you have to open the credits list up to see everyone. But please have a look and you will see a full list of credited cast. They do not list supporting actor, as in many TV/films.Gem09 (talk) 22:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse, deletion review is not AfD part 2. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse, a) Re-arguing the AfD here is inappropriate - the question is merely whether or not the closure was valid. b) It would have been helpful if the closing admin had put at least some explanation, because it is not clear from looking at the closure why it was closed in that manner; thus when looking at the close we have to second-guess the rationale behind it. So, TParis, re. "I didn't feel it neccessary to explain the rationale because the majority of the keep !votes were SPAs and not based in policy" - if you'd just written that in the closure, it would have been helpful. c) The policy-based arguments (viz. "doesn't meet WP:GNG") make sense to me; AfD is not a numeric vote; the 'delete' !votes seem to make logical arguments, I cannot find appropriate coverage either. TL;DR: decision was good, but at least a short rationale would've helped, TParis. Chzz ► 18:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I figured it was obvious. The "not vote" tag at the top, the SPA tags on the IPs, and the "he did a short film also" parts. I just couldn't imagine how it could've been interpreted differently. But if several of ya'all are saying it wasn't so obvious then I should've left something.--v/r - TP 16:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse Following my remarks above I have pondered over the information and opinions given here. I now think that, although a "no consensus" close would have been best, "delete" was, sadly, within administrative discretion. Anyway, the strong and responsible view here is that it was appropriate to delete the article. I personally find that rather strange. Thincat (talk) 09:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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