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Category:Golf clubs and courses in Pittsburgh

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The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Algerian cosmologists

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Created by globally blocked User:Authentise. Can be recreated if there's ever actually a need for it. PianoDan (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Cardiac arrest deaths

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 01:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Collection of categories created in the last few days, mostly with a single member article. Not WP:CATDEF, people are not generally defined by having died from cardiac arrest, particularly for having died of it in a particular place.
Also, I noticed that there are similar categories such as Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths by country, but I don't have time right now to go off in all those directions—but I note that that one (created by the same editor as the above-listed cats) has a G4 speedy deletion tag on it right now for having been deleted previously after a discussion, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 12#Deaths from cardiovascular disease. And that discussion's initiator referenced an earlier discussion, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 15#Cardiovascular disease deaths. Someone might want to conduct a general review—is this a matter to raise at WP:ANI?—of categories recently created by User:20SS00 which might fall under the same deletion rationale. Largoplazo (talk) 11:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Follow-up: I've raised this at ANI. Largoplazo (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Deaths from cardiopulmonary arrest

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 01:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Deaths from cardiopulmonary arrest to Category:Deaths from cardiac arrest
Nominator's rationale: Cardiopulmonary arrest redirects to cardiac arrest and looks like it's the same thing. Brandmeistertalk 09:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they may sound like they are the same thing and they are, except that the difference is that blood flow stops during a cardiac arrest, whereas breathing stops during a cardiopulmonary arrest. 20SS00 (talk) 12:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historical governments of Crimea

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Political history of Crimea. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Historical governments of Crimea to Category:Former territorial entities in Crimea
Nominator's rationale: rename, C2C per Category:Territorial entities. Opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
  • Category:Historical governments of Crimea to Category:Political history of Crimea – C2C: A much more sensible name, as well as being consistent with naming conventions for other nations or states. Hecseur (talk) 02:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose The proposed category is far, far wider than the current category - Historical governments of Crimea covers the variety of governments that have existed in Crimea. Political history would cover elections, referendums and presidents. Political history is a decent category - but it is too wide for this. JASpencer (talk) 10:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@JASpencer:These would make good subcategories for political history. However, the parent category is political history, not the messy "Historical governments of Crimea". Under this category there should be made a Category:Governments in Crimea, as per precedent seen elsewhere. Note that not all current occupants of the category belong in that subcategory, as Jewish autonomy in Crimea is not a historical government of Crimea, but is most definitely relevant to its political history. Hecseur (talk) 00:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: As for this, there seems to be a misunderstanding, as Crimea is NOT a FORMER territorial entity. Crimea is not a former country, nor a former subdivision of a country, it is the geogrpahic territorial entity of the Crimean peninsula. Hecseur (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Hecseur: I know, but the content of the category is about former entities Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle: Indeed, the category exclusively contains former entites. However, a government is not a territorial entry, it's a political one. Hecseur (talk) 03:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This probably should go to a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Marcocapelle and JASpencer: Thanks for the ping! However, I oppose this proposal as the content of the category is not consistent with the entries contained in Category:Former territorial entities; In this category, "former territorial entities" are divided into former administrative divisions, former colonies, and former countries: While most of the content of Category:Historical governments of Crimea belongs to these different categories, creating an entire category specific to Crimea that contains all 3 just doesn't fit the way this category tree is sorted. There would need to be many different categories created relating to Crimean political history which can then be sorted under the former territorial entities category tree (all of which, of course, would be subcategories of the hyopthetical Category:Political history of Crimea). Hecseur (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am puzzled by this argument. Why would subcatting in another part of the tree prevent having this category a name that describes its content properly? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Because it's inconsistent with how the category tree is organised. There is no category that Category:Former territorial entities in Crimea fits in as a subcategory in this tree. Historical governments of Crimea contains all 3 of the subcategories of former territorial entities (former administrative divisions, former colonies, and former countries), hence the only logical parent category to put it under would be Category:Former territorial entities in Europe... Except it doesn't make sense, since there isn't a single region or country that's categorised that way. It's completely inconsistent with the logic at play. This is why I believe this category should be broken up to different subcategories about common historical/political subjects: That way, all of these different categories can both be sorted under the category tree of former entities, while also all being contained as subcategories of Category:Political history of Crimea. Hecseur (talk) 06:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only thing that you might conclude from other sibling categories by region not existing is that it is not a good idea to categorize former polities by region at all. That might be a fair point. Though we do have Category:Former political entities in Afghanistan as a precedent. In any case it is not a reason to name the category different from what it actually contains. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agreee, I don't support the creation of Category:Former political entities in Crimea either. The Afghanistan category is an exception, and in no way the norm, so it should be treated as such. Just as an example for what I meant in my earlier reply, consider a category called Category:Republic of Crimea (1992–1995). Other than the main article , this category can consist of articles such as 1994 Crimean presidential election, Verkhovna Rada of Crimea, and others (Although some articles relating to the subject might have to be put in further subcategories). Under this title, the category can easily be put somewhere under Category:Former subdivisions of Ukraine, while also being a subcategory of Category:Political history of Crimea. This political history category can do the job of Category:Historical governments of Crimea by bringing together all the categories regarding the "fomer territorial entities" in Crimea, while also adhearing to current wider consensus (as this type of categorising is common across nations and states, and even regions in some cases, like the contents of Category:Political history of England by location). Hecseur (talk) 12:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But political history is wider than that, it includes things such as elections, political incidents and personalities. It would need a subcategory quite quickly for the unusually large number of former entities that controlled Crimea. What would you call that sub category? JASpencer (talk) 07:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These events can fit under the subcategory of the relevant former territorial entity. Just like 1994 Crimean presidential election would go under Category:Republic of Crimea (1992–1995), a subcategory of Category:Political history of Crimea, the same logic can be applied to all other relevant articles. It'd take a lot of recategorisation, but I believe this is the most logical way to handle this. Hecseur (talk) 08:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is better than the current name in the sense that it fits in an existing category tree. For the current content of the category it is unnecessary broad though. Category:Political history of Crimea may be created as a parent category as soon as there is more content. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure what it intends to do. I've read it twice and still not understood it. Sorry for being slow here. 19:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JASpencer (talk • contribs)
I apologise for not responding earlier, I've been away for a few days. My proposal is indeed an Alt Rename to Category:Political history of Crimea. I'm currently underway on on creating and listing all the subcategories/articles that can additionally populate this category, as it has a bigger scope than the original name. Some of the to-do list is currently on my user page. Hecseur (talk) 08:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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