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With 12 articles, this must now be a keep, but even if removed it should have been upmerged also to Sportspeople from New York (state). If that is not necessary because all the articles are already there, the nom should say so. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Upper case G inappropriate. Other sports history categories use lower case for name of sport (e.g., History of association football). No Great Shaker (talk) 14:16, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, however the scope of the category seems a little unsure of itself. Due to WP:COPSEP, the people should not be included, which doesn't really leave much. Maybe a delete would be more appropriate? --woodensuperman12:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Another improperly conducted CfD. There was no notification on affected articles thus only three editors made a massive change with no input. The first notification on the articles is the deletion of the category. BAD PROCEDURE.Trackinfo (talk) 21:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Alternative: rename Category:Place of residence user templates to Category:City user templates, then the difference becomes a lot clearer. The parent category also contains regional and country user templates. I have tagged Category:Place of residence user templates for that purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: basically, I'm trying to reach a middle ground between the two extreme options outlined at the idea lab. I try to do it gradually. Another step is harmonizing cities user templates categories (one, two, and three). I'm planning to describe the middle ground later at the idea lab discussion as time permits. —andrybak (talk) 12:21, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would certainly remove the words "origin" and "residence" from these category names, since the templates do not contain those words either. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
About the templates do not contain those words either: the template names do not contain the words "origin" and "residence", but texts of userboxes do have "hails from", "was born in", "lives in", and other relevant phrases relating to a place being a place of origin or residence. Some templates, however, are either worded ambigously or allow customization of the verb phrase, and thus are placed in both categories. —andrybak (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the whole distinction between origin and residence is redundant and confusing. Wp editors will use city templates when the city applies to them, regardless origin, having lived there or still living there. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Category:Place of residence user templates to Category:City user templates. The current names are highly confusing. While the categories require some cleanup I don't believe a merge would be necessary since a city category is an aproporiate way to categorize all these userboxes. --Trialpears (talk) 22:26, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: All of these articles relate to her works, therefore this should be in the "Works by..." category tree. Per WP:OCEPON, we shouldn't have eponymous categories unless multiple other articles exist. --woodensuperman09:56, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but the fact that the musicians tree is not following the guideline is no rationale for keep. The guideline WP:OCEPON is quite clear, and the "overall scheme" is the "Works by..." category tree. --woodensuperman10:23, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By 'overall scheme' I meant - what is your overall vision for this? If it is to replace all eponymous musicians categories with something then what? If it is to replace 'low hanging fruit' then nominate say 100 of them fitting the same criteria (see eg BHG's strategy against portals). AS it is you are bringing random ones piecemeal and it wastes a lot of time. Oculi (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If a musician has multiple works categories, there should be a "Works by" category. Sometimes it would be appropriate for a higher level eponymous category, but per WP:OCEPON, this would be rare: "Practically, even most notable people lack enough directly related articles or subcategories to populate eponymous categories effectively". See Category:Works by filmmaker as a parallel to see how this should work. --woodensuperman10:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep until one or more of her books has an article and thus creates a parallel level of works in a different field to justify. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me19:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, there is no objective reason to restrict the Works tree to cases of different fields; cases of different categories should be sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep I added a couple that are legit. Not sure if it warrants keeping since most of the subcategories are now adequately categorized themselves. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯10:07, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - it is disruptive to bring these 1 by 1 to cfd. There is a 'tours' subcat which is not under works, and 'songs recorded by' are not 'works' (created by others). 'Works' is Category:Creative works if one looks higher up. Oculi (talk) 10:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Songs recorded by" are most definitely works by an artist, and even if you don't consider a tour to be a work, we do not need an eponymous category for these two subcats. --woodensuperman10:30, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now The bigger question here is whether a concert tour should be categorized as a work. If it should then this should obviously be converted to a single category. I think it should be categorized as such but if we're only going to recategorize this one concert tour that would be undesirable for consistency reasons. I would happily support a larger discussion on this topic though. --Trialpears (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Propose deletingCategory:JVP insurrections in popular culture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. The other subcats of Category:War in popular culture all have substantial content, but this one stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb, with zero articles and only a single subcat, Category:JVP insurrections in film. After deletion, that category should be placed directly in the two Insurrection parent cats of Category:JVP insurrections in popular culture. Anomalous+0 (talk) 02:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Query I think that there may be an anomaly in the Polish case. Was there really a Prince - bishopric of Kracow? From what I saw, there was an ecclesiastical title of Bishop of Kracow and a civil title of Duchy of Siewierz. I don't see anything that links the two other than the person of the bishop who held both titles. Indeed the duchy itself was purchased, not awarded by the Emperor. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is a very fair point, leading to an alternative proposal to simply delete the Polish category. As nominator, I am supporting the alternative as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Writers who illustrated their own writing
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Nominator's rationale: Trivial, non-defining category prone to detritus. Open-ended category would logically include a bazillion comics creators. While many writers illustrate their own work, no one from Dr. Seuss to Clive Barker is commonly categorized as such outside of navel-gazing Wikipedia. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per the discussions from the previous two nominations for deletion, which ended in clear consensus to keep. It's been several years, but has the category somehow become more trivial? I think this is clearly still a defining characteristic of William Blake and Mervyn Peake. A category being large is not a criterion for deletion. LeSnail (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. There aren't many comics people here, & ideally they should be in a sub-cat - doesn't a comics one exist? Johnbod (talk) 16:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It would be rather unusual. In comic books, typically one person serves as the writer and provides the Script (comics), another serves as the main comics artist/penciller and provides the illustrations, a third one serves as the inker who retraces and finalizes the drawings, a fourth one is the colorist who adds colors to the black-and-white works of the penciller and inker, and a fifth one serves as letterer responsible for the speech balloons. Most writers don't contribute to the artwork of a story, and most artists don't contribute to the script. The exceptions include people who filled more than one role in the production process, such as Carl Barks (both wrote and illustrated most of his stories from 1943 to 1966, wrote stories for other artists during his semi-retirement), Jack Kirby (mostly credited as a penciller from the 1930s to the 1960s, started both writing and illustrating his own stories in the 1970s), Bill Everett (mostly wrote and illustrated his own stories from the 1930s to the 1950s, mainly credited as a writer in the 1960s), and Steve Ditko (mostly credited as a penciller in his hired work for various publishing houses, writer for some of his more "personal" works such as Mr. A). Dimadick (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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