Category:Lithuanian Youtube Personalities
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (category was still empty at close). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete as the appropriate category already exists as Category:Lithuanian YouTubers. Tassedethe (talk) 23:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Skwxwu7mesh people
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Squamish people (individuals). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge. Subject lead is Squamish people, seems only appropriate that the categories should follow.Labattblueboy (talk) 20:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- FYI, Talk:Squamish people#Requested_move_2 contains a RM related to the Skwxwu7mesh vs. Squamish naming.--Labattblueboy (talk) 09:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- There is an Category:People from Squamish, British Columbia to refelct that diference.--Labattblueboy (talk) 12:30, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Which the target category is ambiguous with. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- How so? Bearcat (talk) 04:51, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose merge, but open to suggestions on renaming. It is standard to separate articles on biographies from articles on the ethnic group as a whole. The talk page explains that the nominated category was suggested by various editors at CFD 2014 Feb 19. Although the discussion got out of hand and there was no consensus to rename the parent, in my view there was sufficient support to go ahead and create this sub-cat for individual biographies. Normally "X people" would be the category name for biographies (e.g. Category:Ojibwe people within Category:Ojibwe), but in this case Squamish people is required as the name of the article about the indigenous group, to avoid ambiguity, so the parent category rightly follows that name. – Fayenatic London 13:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The template uses "Squamish (Sḵwx̱wú7mesh)" as a sort of compromise. If they naming is repeatedly contested, I'd be open to such an approach but, again, that would need to start with a consensus at the article level and the categories should blindly follow. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment As Fayenatic london says, merging would confound the people (group) with some people (individuals). I would query whether "Skwxwu7mesh" is English orthography. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If the original category is kept in any form, it should be renamed to include the diacritics on the K and X. —烏Γ (kaw), 08:23, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support This was an introduction of an unreadable name by people who ignored guidelines to use English.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The category for the people as a group and the category for individual people should probably use the same terminology, not be mixed as it is here. Perhaps a rename to Category:Squamish people (individuals) would be appropriate here? I oppose merging the categories as proposed per Fayenatic, as it would mix the bio articles with the general articles about the group. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dukes of Lothier
[edit]Category:Fictional victims of child abuse
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- The result of the discussion was: do not rename; this is without prejudice to a nomination for deletion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. My proposed naming, seems similar and less complicated than the former. NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:39, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Child abuse is a recurring theme in fiction, but not all victims are "survivors". I have no idea, however, what is a category about incest in fiction doing as a subcategory of this. Incest is not limited to children. Dimadick (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Destroyed landmarks in Belgium
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (category has remained empty). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization; "Demolished buildings and structures in Belgium" and "Former buildings and structures in Belgium" already exist. Tridek Sep (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Tridek Sep: The category is empty. Do you know what was in it? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, the former articles in this category are clearly about buildings, no need to categorize them as "landmarks". Marcocapelle (talk) 13:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I agree that a "landmarks" cat sits ill under a "buildings" cat. Leaving that aside, is there enough of a difference between a "demolished" building" and a "destroyed" one to make this better as a rename rather thsn a delete? (and this is not a one-off but part of a large cat tree: "Destroyed landmarks of Foo" is very commonly a subcat of "Demolished buildings and structures of Foo"). Eustachiusz (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- In regards to the two articles that were in it, one was destroyed by fire, and the other was demolished and replaced. In this case, the category could be deleted. Funandtrvl (talk) 16:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to "Demolished buildings and structures". I do not think that a landmarks tree is useful. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alam family
[edit]RfC births and deaths categorization scheme
[edit]Centuries in Belgium
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξxplicit 23:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: rename since in these periods the geographical area of the Southern Netherlands was, roughly, identical to current Belgium and Luxembourg. At least it also covers the prince-bishopric of Liège, which was not part of the Habsburg (Spanish, Austrian) Netherlands. Suggest to keep Luxembourg categories of these periods as they are, but make them child categories of Southern Netherlands in addition. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:40, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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- Burgundian Netherlands can't be a contemporary substitute for pre-16th-century Belgium since not all counties and duchies in current Belgium belonged to it all the time. However, as with all countries, we can just maintain the 21st-century name as the category name in case history goes so far back that a contemporary substitute cannot meaningfully be defined. Which is clearly the case with Belgium before the 16th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Burgundian Netherlands will work for most of what is now Belgium for roughly 1450-1480, but it still leaves a fair amount out, and isn't really useful at all pre-1420. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- We might have specified Spanish Netherlands and then Austrian Netherlands, but they were not specifically Spanish until the death of the Emperor Charles V, and were not separate from the other Netherlands until the Spanish took control of them towards the beginning of the 80 years war. Burgundian Netherlands might be appropriate for the 15th century. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:49, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Belgium is an anachronistic term at this point.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fragaria (aka Strawberries)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Fragaria species to Category:Fragaria; users free to create a Category:Strawberries subcategory. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COMMONNAME
- "Fragaria" is the Latin name for the genus of plants that produce strawberries. I think that botany term makes sense for Category:Fragaria species (which I created) since most of those articles are also in Latin and the readers would be interested in the overall plant. But, for the parent category, most readers would be interested in strawberries as a fruit so having it under the common name would better aid navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Notified Bogdangiuscaas the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Food and drink. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I agree that the present set up is wrong. The hierarchy is:
- – Category:Fragaria – under the name of entire genus
- – Category:Fragaria species – by all precedent and consistency this should not exist; we never have categories like this for the species of a genus; species articles are categorized under the genus name
- – various categories for strawberry-related topics, such as Category: Strawberry sodas
- "Strawberries", as used in everyday language, are a subcategory of Fragaria. So a better category hierarchy would be:
- – Category:Fragaria – for all articles related to the genus, both cultivated and wild species and uses
- – Category:Strawberries – there could then be a single subcategory to hold all articles and subcategories related to cultivated Fragaria species
- Category:Fragaria species should be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Note There is also Category:Orchid species to break down the Genus Orchidaceae with a parent Category:Plant species, neither of which I created. That wasn't a very big tree I added too so maybe it doesn't reflect consensus though. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, this seems the best approach to me, and unless anyone else comes along soon and dissents, go ahead. An example is Category:Vitis, with the subcategory Category:Grape. The other possibility is just to mix them all up as at Category:Citrus, but I think this is less helpful to readers. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds good, I modified the nomination. (The current proposal is now eligible for a Speedy move but I'll leave the discussion here to avoid confusion.) RevelationDirect (talk) 11:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Afghanistan
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Afghanistan to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in Afghanistan
- Procedural nomination for a rename. Note that this also includes the child category, Category:Non-governmental organizations operating in Afghanistan; it would be absurd to rename one but not the other.
- AusLondonder nominated this for speedy, because it's a child of Category:Organisations based in Afghanistan, but I opposed it because it's also a child of Category:Non-governmental organizations. AusLondonder didn't offer a further reason for renaming (normally you don't need to), but my rationale was basically that, in the absence of national ties to a particular spelling, a national category should follow the broad topic's spelling. In other words, we should prefer the spelling of the broad topic's tree to the spelling of the country's tree in situations such as Afghanistan, where the country doesn't have a significant local variety of English (unlike Indian English and Pakistani English, there is no article on Afghan English or Afghani English) that we need to follow. So basically, since I think we should follow the topic tree instead of the country tree, we should continue using "Organizations" because the topic does, instead of renaming to "Organisations" because the non-WP:TIES country does. Nyttend (talk) 00:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It seems to me like it would be more difficult to have some country specific spelling preferences (US, UK, NZ) and have others that are subject specific (organizations, harbours in non-English speaking countries). Sure, our current approach gives preferences to countries that have no preference, but organisations and harbors don't have a preference as to how they're spelled either. But really, I don't mind your approach. Let's just pick a clear standard (yours, mine, someone else's) so that t AusLondonder's non-controversial renames can stay in WP:CFDS where they belong. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- As I re-read that, I sound a little grouchy but it's not directed at you. Based on our conversation at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Regional English Spellings with the WP:C2A and WP:C2C Speedy Criteria, I'm thinking rewriting WP:C2C is probably needed here.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:44, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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