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Category:Ancient Roman Christian Britons

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The Christians are neither exclusively Ancient Roman nor British. They have to do will the Roman colony of Brittania. Similar to Category:Romano-British saints and Category:Gallo-Roman saints. This proposal was opposed at speedy. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Category: Ancient Roman Catholic Britons, is the proper name. These folks are all members of the Catholic church. Benkenobi18 (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lithuanian men by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator. Timrollpickering (talk) 02:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Then why doesn't Category:Men by nationality and occupation exist?? Quis separabit? 19:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't exist because ... because it hasn't been created. :)
I will create and populate it once this discussion closes. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK fair enough, I hereby withdraw the nomination, in light of BrownHairedGirl's clarifying comments, at this time. Quis separabit? 16:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category: Men by nationality (and subcategories as below)

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete - jc37 10:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I wait to see Category:American men. It should be interesting to watch Wikipedia turn into NNDb. Not every category requires a container. Quis separabit? 16:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, why don't you get started on it. Quis separabit? 16:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Genres of Death metal

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The result of the discussion was: Merge both to Category:Death metal. - jc37 10:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Subgenres of death metal[edit]
  • Propose merging Category:Subgenres of death metal to Category:Heavy metal subgenres
Nominator's rationale: No need for a tree of sub-sub-subgenres. Cf. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_28#Category:Genres_of_death_metalJustin (koavf)TCM 20:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Genres of death metal[edit]

:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Closure reversed per comments in the above discussion & on request. Timrollpickering (talk) 03:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary and not helpful for navigation. Evidently, some were confused by previous nom. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:G-Dragon & TOP albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:G-Dragon & TOP albums to [[:Category:]]
Nominator's rationale: Evidently, this was not clear. Merge to both parent categories: Category:G-Dragon albums and Category:T.O.P (entertainer) albums (the latter of which I just created.) The main artist is a redlink and it's just a collaboration between two other acts--we don't make a category for every intersection of a collaboration. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:LGBT chefs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete & upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Per WP:CATGRS there is no significance to the intersection of "LGBT" and "chef". If there is disagreement on that point then at the very least the subcats should be merged to the LGBT parent because there is definitely no "gay way" to cook versus a "lesbian way" to cook so the gendered categories are not needed. Buck Winston (talk) 19:42, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Automobiles powered by engine configurations

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:04, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 4-cylinder engines
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 6-cylinder engines
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 8-cylinder engines
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 10-cylinder engines
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 12-cylinder engines
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 16-cylinder engines
  • Propose deleting Category:Automobiles powered by 18-cylinder engines
Nominator's rationale: Pointlessly broad categories that would not assist in search. Somewhere over 70% of all cars ever produced would fit into the four-cylinder category. Many cars have more than one engine cylinder configuration. Very few cars have the number of cylinders as a defining characteristic. --Falcadore (talk) 19:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Present status categories for persons

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize persons by present status other than Category:Living people, which is important for collaboration and legal reasons. George Washington is still president and Lou Gehrig will always be a Yankee. It is useful to categorize institutions or ongoing events this way, but not individuals. There is a misconception that a only present status counts or somehow counts more than other statuses and that needs to be corrected. Cf. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_30#Category:Current_foreign_ministers, Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_October_15#Category:Living_queens_consort, Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_August_6#Category:Living_performers_of_Christian_music, etc. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Health system in art

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete The category seems to be tailor-made for Luke Fildes. One of Fildes' paintings (showing a doctor) was used on a famous poster against an American proposal for nationalized health care. But health care doesn't define Fildes' work and it certainly doesn't define him. (This explains why we don't categorize artists by the themes they explored unless that theme is considered a genre) Pichpich (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Other Athletic Federations (No IAAF Members)

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge This is essentially a "not"-based category and that should be avoided. Pichpich (talk) 16:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American Dark Wave musical groups

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Genre names should not be capitalized. —Torchiest talkedits 14:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Komnenodoukai dynasty

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It should be either simply "Komnenodoukai" (plural) or "Komnenodoukas (singular) dynasty", per the norm for families/dynasties. Constantine 10:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:England international footballers who also played Test cricket

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:England international footballers who also played Test cricket (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: While a person having played for the England national football team is clearly relevant for categorization, and having played on the England cricket team is clearly relevant for categorization, I fail to see why the intersection of the 2 is relevant. In the odd case where some user, perhaps out of curiosity, would want to find the intersection, this tool is a good way to find out. And there is no reason, as far as I can tell, to prefer this specific intersection and not any other - and we don't need all possible combinations here. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of subdivisions of countries

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all but first three. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale. Rename all for better grammar and clarity. A lot of categories have recently been speedily renamed to use the compound word "country subdivisions", but we don't even have a head article of that name: country subdivision redirects to administrative division. That redirect is less than ideal, because not all subdivisions are administrative (e.g. the 4 Provinces of Ireland have no administrative function), and it is right that we should have a general grouping of subdivisions which is not restricted to the administrative ones.
However, while the compound term "country subdivision" may have some benefits higher up the category tree (tho I am not persuaded of that), at this level it has created some ugly category names and some tautology.
The phrase "country subdivisions of Nigeria" is silly, because Nigeria is country. Any subdivisions of Nigeria are subdivisions of a country, so the word "country" is superfluous. The 200+ by-country categories in Category:Country subdivisions by country all use the simpler format "Subdivisions of Foo" (e.g. Category:Subdivisions of Nigeria, Category:Subdivisions of Poland, Category:Subdivisions of the United States), and there is no need to introduce the tautology for the categories of lists.
Note that many of these categories have recently been created by the same editor, and they seem to be consistently poorly-parented. For example Category:Lists of country subdivisions of Poland is currently parented only in Category:Lists of country subdivisions by country; it is not in Category:Poland geography-related lists, nor is in in Category:Subdivisions of Poland ... which means that it is nowhere under Category:Poland. I will now fix that parenting. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Roger Pearse

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. The category was created by user Kalidasa 777 who was in dispute with user Roger Pearse months earlier over the Mithraic Mysteries article. User roger pearse stopped editing Wikipedia months earlier. Same user also made repeated accusations of sock puppetry for most of 2011 against the same user. Seems like obvious attack category. It's about a user, not about something of relevance to other users. 91.85.76.177 (talk) 02:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gay male adult models

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The result of the discussion was: merge according to modified nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:57, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 5 was not to subdivide Category:LGBT models into L, G and B sub-categories. This goes even further and subdivides one of them even further. Upmerge to all parents BencherliteTalk 00:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Models have roles beyond displaying clothes. "Adult models" is a term used for people who appear in magazines like Playboy. There is also a whole set of models who pose in photography where the goal is to show various situations, not the clothing. There are also models used by artists, so it is way more than just clothing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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