The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Even without ignoring the uncivil replies that haven't presented a P&G-based argument, we would still have a clear consensus to delete. Owen× ☎ 18:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yossi Elran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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One of a number of BLP recently created directly to main space by קוונטום דוץ. Multiple editors have pointed out issues with these such as notability, sourcing, refbombing. This is perhaps the weakest. Lecturer with an h-factor of 8, no major awards, no major mentions, weak independent sourcing and many unsourced paragraphs. Ldm1954 (talk) 06:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Ldm1954 (talk) 06:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Citations too low for WP:PROF#C1 and no other PROF criterion apparent. I did find one sort-of-published book review, by notable reviewer Adhemar Bultheel on the now-defunct book review site of the European Mathematical Society [1], but that's not enough by itself for WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that we will examine your behavior, then each and every of your claims. There have been elapsed 32 minutes since the moment you marked the entry until you put it under discussion for deletion. I assume your were so insulted by my comment in your talk page that you've determined to teach me a lesson. Ok, well. Let us now examine your comments one by one:

1. "Multiple editors have pointed out issues with these such as notability, sourcing, refbombing" - there were only issues in Eli Jerby and you were the one that have decided to crusade the entry. Refbombing? are you serious? to cite academic articles is refbombing?

2. "Lecturer with an h-factors of 8" - Yossi Elran is mainly notable not as a scientist but as an educator. h-index (and not h-factor, I expect you to know that) is irrelevant in this case.

3. "No major awards" - I understand that you have a fantastic aquaintance with all the awards and accolades in education and science journalism.

4. "Weak independent sourcing" - sorry, I don't have plenty of times like you to mend an entry within 32 minutes.

Have a wonderful day. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 07:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pls delete page thanks Lorenzo1235 (talk) 08:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pls keep or delete page thanks Lorenzo1235 (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel and United Kingdom. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Little sign of WP:NPROF impact via research. Article originator claims NPROF C4 impact, but I do not see much sign of this. Passing mentions only are apparent for GNG. NAUTHOR looks more plausible, but this would require more in the way of reliable source reviews. It is somewhat possible that reviews exist in Hebrew, where the different alphabet makes searching difficult, and I am watching the discussion in case better sources emerge. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Here are some claims why to keep the entry:

  1. Membership in the Gathering for Gardner – Membership is granted based on significant contributions in the field of recreational math and a selection committee. It is considered the "supreme body" of the field. Additionally, Elran was the head of a very significant committee there.

  2. His book, "Lewis Carroll’s Cats and Rats", has received high recommendations from three very senior and well-known individuals: Ian Stewart, Cliff Pickover, and David Singmaster – all three are authors in the field of creative mathematics and all three have entries here in English Wikipedia. The recommendations are written on websites where the book is sold, such as Amazon and World Scientific, and on the outer cover of the book itself.

  3. The book "Paper Puzzle Book" received an excellent review from the MAA – Math Association of America - and also from the European Math Society.

  4. Elran's videos on Ted-Ed, which he actually wrote, have collectively accumulated about twenty million views.

  5. In Israel, he is certainly well-known. Especially in the context of correspondence mathematics, but he has also written many articles on mathematics that have been published on Ynet, the main news website in Israel. He was interviewed on mathematics at the radio show "Three Who Know" and appeared on several other television programs related to correspondence mathematics. There were also several articles in the local press abroad about Math by Mail and he even appeared in this context on CTV's morning show in Toronto during a visit there in 2007.

  6. In his list of scientific publications, he wrote chapters in very significant books – one in Gardner's book and the other in MOVES, which is the second most important conference in the field after Gardner.

  7. By the end of the year, the number of his books will increase by two and next year he already have requests for more (and he is also writing two chapters in a Springer's book).

  Please consider again. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 09:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Regarding 1,2,4,6, these do not contribute significantly to notability. Regarding 3, a second review might tend to make the book notable, and redirection to a stub on the book could be a possible alternative to deletion. Regarding 5, what are the three best sources? (Note that sources do not need to be in English.) Regarding 7, see WP:CRYSTAL. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. Regarding 3: here are more reviews - [2], [3].

  And here are some sources for 5: [4], [5],[6], [7],[8],[9]...

  קוונטום דוץ (talk) 15:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The Nick Origami site is some combination of a blog and a storefront for someone selling services, and is not a reliable source. This review counts little towards notability. Articles by the subject count not at all, and I don't think that announcements of events that he is running contribute much. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Dear Russ, you asked to bring resources for point number 5, which refers to articles that he wrote and other things. So how does it not count? Anyhow, regarding what you said toward the end: these are not announcements of events he's running; these are interviews of him in a nationwide radio station. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 18:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Articles written by Elran count for little or nothing. Articles written _about_ Elran may support notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Ok, so I hope that the few items of interest will support notability in this certain context.

  Here is an article written about Elran and his program in the New Jersey Jewish News: [10]

  Here is an article on scienceblogs: [11]

  There is also a publication in the Weizmann Institute news: [12]

  Here is a press release from FutureLearn, a major MOOC platform, where he has four courses with over 100,000 learners in total. [13]

  Also, Elran is on the advisory panel of MathsworldUK alongside very respected and well-known individuals in the field such as Conrad Wolfram and Rob Eastaway. See: [14]. It is an organization that is establishing a mathematics museum and many related activities in the field of mathematics in the UK.

  Additionally, the books that are scheduled to be released by the end of the year have already been sent to print, so it is more than just an intention. One is with World Scientific and the other with CRC – Routledge.

  Finally, there is an article in Hebrew on Ynet about his activity in establishing the first synagogue named after Yitzhak Rabin [15].

  Please consider all that, קוונטום דוץ (talk) 14:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Russ Woodroofe FYI. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 16:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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