Yeh Shu-hua

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No observed changes in notability for WP:SNG, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeh Shuhua in 2021. The previous AfD resulted in redirect, this is the revision prior to the AfD closure. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the references show that the subject meets the following criteria. The references has the person as the main subject and not just a passing mention as part of the group.
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
A big difference from the other version is a reliance on published sources like news reports and magazines rather than Youtube videos. Firezzasd (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't see how "reliance on published sources like news reports and magazines" is of any differences to the pointers raised by Explicit in the previous AfD, pretty close in my opinion. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 18:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
can you link the previous AfD discussion, so I can see what points were raised? Firezzasd (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already linked, above ^. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 18:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The main difference is that discussion is from June 2021. There's more reporting on the subject in the last three years, as evident in the references. I think if the concern is independent notability, that's no longer an issue as compared to back then. Firezzasd (talk) 18:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More as in? Other than 1 hosting news releases (pretty much routine), health issues (ref bombing), 1 cover magazine featured, endorsements for 1 bag brand (ref bombing) and shoe brand (ref bombing). And minus here and there compared to the deleted article due to no reliable sources available. So where exactly does WP:SINGER and WP:BANDMEMBER criteria is fulfiled? Paper9oll (🔔📝) 07:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Paper9oll: Hi Paper9oll! Hmm... I believe it is necessary to clarify your expectations for individual notability in order to reach a consensus here. I am not particularly familiar with (G)I-dle, as far as I know, the key difference between Yeh and the other members is that she did not have any individual musical releases. (If I remember correctly Yuqi had her article before releasing her first solo single though) However, I don't think debuting solo is a crucial criterion for determining individual notability, and it is not explicitly stated in BANDMEMBER either. (Ryujin and Lia come to mind as a counterexample.) Aside from this, I do not think the media coverage of Minnie and Yuqi should differ significantly from that of Yeh. I also found it difficult to agree with about half of the summaries you provided. For instance, I cited sources mentioning Yeh hosting Workdol, participating in variety programs, and co-hosting an upcoming travel program with Chen Bolin (the latter was mistakenly labeled as covering her returning from illness). I was intending to emphasize Yeh's solo activities, which I see as demonstrating her individuality, rather than the overall notability. I am also slightly puzzled by how these can be considered routine coverage, or else an actor's entire filmography can be viewed as just their "another day of work" as well. Another key point of disagreement is the categorization of the Chinese sources covering her biography as news digests. SIGCOV never emphasizes that the subject person has to be a unique or major topic of the source, but rather require the source to address the subject person directly and in detail only. These few sources are entirely about Yeh's biography, even the title singled her out instead of referring her as a group. I guess there isn't really room of argument that those sources are direct and detailed addresses. I think this level of SIGCOV on Yeh's early life, career, and personal life far exceeds the requirements of GNG. While I may concede that Yeh's lack of a solo debut could be seen as not meeting BANDMEMBER for individual notability, it is still unconvincing to dismiss the aforementioned sources as run-of-the-mill. I agree to disagree, but respectfully I think the subject person has undoubtedly fulfilled GNG. —Prince of EreborThe Book of Mazarbul 14:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]