The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, but I haven't salted as, so far, there is no evidence that it will be recreated unless there is genuine eveidence of the projects existence. Yomangani^talk 17:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Xbox Handheld[edit]

Nomination for deletion Wikipedia is not a crystalball as per WP:NOT. Whether a Xbox handheld will be launched in the future is a speculative question at the moment. The linked to image is a unofficial mockup of what a Xbox handheld might look like, not even an authenticated prototype image[1]. Bwithh 03:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note Multiple accounts who contributed to this AfD are suspected confirmed sockpuppets per Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Infomanager. ~ trialsanderrors 07:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete There is no evidence that the Xbox handheld is anything other than a crazy rumor. If anything, this should be mentioned in a paragraph long section on the page Xbox, but is not deserving of it's own article. --Wikischmedia 03:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Change in Vote (Merge with Xbox article if possible) This could be merged into the Xbox article as a footnote. --Wikischmedia 03:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. A similar article about the same thing (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xbox 180) was deleted recently. There is no handheld Xbox announced, only speculation. TJ Spyke 04:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Total speculation and/or Photoshopping. This doesn't even deserve a mention on Xbox, as there isn't a single reliable source mentioned. (It's possible that the rumors turned out to refer to the Zune, but that's neither here nor there.) Zetawoof^(ζ) 05:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No change in vote, even given the modifications to the article. Although there's some verifiable information now, it's very limited in scope. This article can (and should) wait until Microsoft makes an official announcement of some sort. Zetawoof^(ζ) 23:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - unsourced crustal balling. MER-C 08:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. PresN 20:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:HOAX. Just H 21:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Rumors of MS coming out with a portable device designed to "target the huge potential audience that embraces the iPod" are true. Rumors of a MS video game handheld have been around since the first Xbox was released, and I'm pretty sure that picture has been as well. This is a hoax/crystal balling, whichever. Koweja 04:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. If such a device were to be announced at a later date, it would go under a proper product name anyway. --Alan Au 06:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. Better with sources, but still just a rumor until such time as Microsoft makes an official announcement. Article can easily be recreated at that time. Until then, the article may as well be called "Xbox handheld speculation", which obviously isn't encyclopedic. --Alan Au 04:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per WP:HOAX and WP:CRYSTAL. Self-explanatory: handheld does not exist, and Wikipedia is not for making guesses to it. --Scottie theNerd 16:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still maintaining my stance after rewrite. One quote is not enough for an article; currently it fails Notability. Wait until more information is revealed (which may take years) before creating an article rather than a one-line stub. --Scottie theNerd 04:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Uber Strong Delete Pure rumor, doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere.Meow07 19:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even with the page move and rewrite, there's nothing to prove that the device is still in development.Meow07 01:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Microsoft is indeed working on a handheld, as is mentioned in Dean's book [Xbox 360 Uncloaked]. Next-Generation includes the text: "Following the launch of the Xbox 360, the hardware team was divided up and put on two different tasks. The first will work on cost reducing the Xbox. The second will design a new portable system to compete with PSP and DS. The book indicates the strategy is to launch it in the middle of the Xbox 360 cycle so that the business has a hedge against the crushing generational transition costs (only one system would be going through transition at any given time)." [2].

Comment I have re-written the article, citing sources which indicate that an Xbox handheld is forthcoming. I also tagged it with the "work in progress game, speculative information" tag, which seems to be more applicable than simply deleting the article. Alan Shatte 22:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment All the article says now is that Microsoft is working on designing a Xbox handheld, as claimed by one writer. That's not enough for an article, and its still crystalballism - Microsoft must have dozens of major R&D projects going on, many of which probably won't see actual public release. Bwithh 23:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as a stub The information is verifiable via Next Generation. Passes WP:RS Infomanager 22:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as a stub. Jessica Anne Stevens 22:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment those who voted before the re-write should be contacted so that they can vote again. Jessica Anne Stevens 22:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have contacted everyone who participated. Alan Shatte 22:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have striked out Jessica's first vote due to her second vote, it seems she has changed her mind about the article. Dionyseus 07:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - While it has been confirmed that they're working on a handheld Xbox, there's no telling that it's going to be called Xbox Handheld, no telling when it's going to be released, indeed no telling if it's going to be released, as company plans can, and do, change. So, it's still in a crystal ball. Secateur 22:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually the release date will probably be 2008 since that is in the middle of the 5-year business cycle of the Xbox 360. Wasn't the tag created because plans for a game [console] in development can and do change? Alan Shatte 22:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's still has to be almost certain to happen. I believe the tag was created for games certain to happen, like Half-Life 2 I suppose, but not before the company itself had announced it and started the marketing campaign. This is too early. Secateur 23:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's still crystal balling. Microsoft confirmed they are already working on the successor to the Xbox 360, but that doesn't mean we should have an article about it. The article should be deleted unless some actual info is announced (and Microsoft themselves say something). TJ Spyke 22:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note I moved the article to Microsoft handheld game console. Koweja 23:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Week Keep now per stubification and sources. Koweja 23:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Why? Did you read my comment? Sony has confirmed they are working on the PS4 and and MS confirmed they are working on the next Xbox, both of which is more than this article can claim. TJ Spyke 23:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and Page Protect, even with the new sourcing. It's still total speculation and might not even be in the alpha stages of development. I doubt it'll simply be called the Xbox Handheld and it could be that Microsoft cancels it because right now the only information we've got is from someone who's already left Microsoft over a year ago. I'd support mention of it in the Xbox 360 article until more information is released, however. Lankybugger 23:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I am hesitant to approve deletion of the article because I have a feeling that it will be recreated continously, especially as more website and people become aware of the book. Infomanager 00:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: That's what protection against recreation is for. No doubt Microsoft isn't going to announce a single thing about any potential handheld until they've come up with a brand name for it. When that happens, the article can be created under that brand name. Lankybugger 00:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and protect but include the line of text in the Xbox 360 article. Paul D. Meehan 05:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete page move stub to Xbox 360 page. Jessica Anne Stevens 06:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This seems to be Jessica's secont vote in this discussion. Dionyseus 20:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redict - Perhaps redirect to Xbox 360 and include the line there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brad Guzman (talk • contribs) 20:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC). ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Change vote to merge into Xbox 360 - The line should be added to the Xbox 360's sales section. Alan Shatte 21:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC) ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I still think that the article should be kept as a stub, but I have added the information (and sources) to the 360 page. If and when Microsoft officially announces the portable, we can split it off. Infomanager 23:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It has nothing to do with the 360, don't place it into that article. Meow07 01:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as stub - Information is succinct, and verifiable. Joel Jimenez ← See checkuser request on this user. ~ trialsanderrors 09:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment This article, besides having unencyclopedic content (are we going to have articles on every single R&D project by a major corporation, most of which will never see public release?) is not verified. A single journalist's claims based in "insider sources" is not sufficient - not multiple, not solidly reliable, not verifiable. Furthermore, the article is misleading to say that Microsoft has "confirmed" this story. Microsoft has called the claims "highly speculative"[3]. Bwithh 13:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Even in its reduced form the article is reporting that one source has speculated that Microsoft is working on this product. Until we have confirmation (not speculation) that it is being worked on it cannot warrant an article. Gwernol 14:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Completely speculative, also Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Dionyseus 03:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not just is WP:NOT a crystal ball, but there's barely even any speculation. A couple of articles and an unofficial mock-up do not equate to a Microsoft handheld. -- Kicking222 12:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If wikipedia published everything which might have been thought of at any point, it would be a terrible reference source. WP:NOT, per all other deletionists. Martinp23 20:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.