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The result was withdrawn by nominator. Tbhotch^{™ ©} Happy New Year 19:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Xiaolong (artist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Fails notability and is an unsourced BLP, plenty of external links, which are not references. If he is notable, according to the article, it has citation needed tags. I am nominating it to AFD due to someone removed the PRODBLP without add a single reference. Many images may fall into a copyvio if a) Creator is not Xiaolong and/or b) Freedom of Panorama, if those images were not taken in China in a public exibition. Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy New Year 23:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Tbh®tch for your comments.

I disagree on that 1) Wang Xiaolong is not a notable person and 2) the Article does not have references. As been improved, the article has already been added references, and work is in progress.

Tbh®tch's comments that "I am nominating it to AFD due to someone removed the PRODBLP without add a single reference." is untrue as it was not the case that "someone removed the PRODBLP without add a single reference", someone only removed the PRODBLP after adding a few references.

The reason that I removed the initial AfD notices on 29th Dec was that in the notice, it clearly said "Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the ((prod blp)) tag" As I have provided reliable sources to the article, it seemed rather logical to me that I may remove the ((prod blp)) tag. Did I misunderstand something?

With images, I can state that the images are photoes of Wang Xiaolong's work, and the images are taken in his studio in China, which is open to public, and they do not fall into a copyvio.

Other people's comments such as "citation needed", are being worked on.

Welcome your further comments, and Happy New Year

--Giloveart (talk) 14:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With "I am nominating it to AFD due to someone removed the PRODBLP without add a single reference" I wasn't refering to you, I was refering to another user who removed it thinking that external links are references, which is not true. I am also concerning about some sources, for example the reference one who is widely recognised[1] link to a page in Chinese, which never state it, the references 3, 6 and 7 are books, all use the same ISBN, which according to Google or WorldCat it does not exist. Also, the article has not meet the WP:BASIC criteria, why he is notable? has he received any award? has has been covered by multiple reliable sources? has he made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in arts? If these questions may not be resolved he may fails WP:BIO. Tbhotch^{™ ©} Happy New Year 18:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks again Tbhotch, that certainly helps.

1) Conerning of sources: it seemed to me that google translation didn't do a very good job in translating the Chinese. On the Chinese page, the text clearly stated the images are from "Sanzi", Wang Xiaolong's tag name, and he was "well-known". If you would copy the Chinese text on the page into a better online translation tool, I assume you would have more confidence in the source.

2) Reference 3, 6 and 7 are referring to the same book, hence same ISBN number, and I have a copy of the book. I myself did the same searching via Google, and I couldn't locate it either. I am not sure if Google and WorldCat would record ALL books that have been published? I could send you a scanned copy of the book cover if that helps.

3)It seems to me that the article clearly meet the WP:BASIC criteria, which says "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,and independent of the subject." I see Wang Xiaolong clearly satisfies the above criteria as the sources (citation) provided are multiple, independent of each other and independent of the subject. With "award" and "widely recognised contribution", they fall into ADDITIONAL criteria, which states "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." And, this does not imply that Wang Xiaolong has not received any "award", which I will be happily adding to the article.

4) I also wonder if you would give me some help regarding how I can rename the article from Wang Xiaolong (artist) to Sanzi which is how he is widely recognised?

Happy New Year to you

--Giloveart (talk) 16:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• I moved the page as your request and I'll close its AFD nomination, seems like now need a clean-up, not a deletion. Withdrawn nomination Tbhotch^{™ ©} Happy New Year 19:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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