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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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can't find a single reliable source that covers Manhas, fails NARTIST/writer/whatever else he's claiming to be. The sole source that isn't social media is thechenabtimes, which is garbage, for lack of a better word. It's yet another black hat SEO site disguised as a legitimate news outlet. Praxidicae (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

•Keep This article is available on iTunes, Spotify and many other platforms. And also the mumbai based label company (signed by him) had listed him on their official website. Numbers of songs released through label. Google also show about him separately. TheChunky (talk) 14:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article speedy deletion was also declined by one Wikipedia administrators(check on talk page of Vicky Manhas), as it is viral in 2015 and signed a label, which make it notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheChunky (talk • contribs) 15:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any reliable sources that mention him? That he has videos on Youtube does not count, unless there are independent reliable sources that mention the videos. The Chenab Times[1] does not appear to be a reliable source; it is a news channel that mainly operates on Youtube. The rule is that "information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article."-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete when we have more articles on people born in most years in the 1990s than in the 1970s we have a major, major problem of presentist bias. There are not enough sources to justify this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

iTunes has 4 songs by him dated 2016, 2017, and 2 x 2019. Unlike other artists I have seen on iTunes there is no popularity index.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 17:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 17:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete — non notable rapper who doesn’t satisfy WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Celestina007 (talk) 22:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per WP:SUBNOT. Apart from WP:GNG, the subject does not qualify for any WP:SNG like WP:SINGER. It does not even pass WP:NMUSICOTHER criteria. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 23:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify as Requested. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 08:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I declined the speedy deletion because there were claims of significance, which is enough to defeat an A7, but that does NOT establish notability. Cites to his publisher, or to spotify and apple which sell his music are not independent and so do not count. Apparently the Chenab Times is not a reliable source. Is there any independent coverage by reclaimable sources? None has been cited to date, and several such sources would be needed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would be satisfied if this was moved to draft, as the creator has now requested. So alternatively, Draftify. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

wP:Draftify is not meant to move patently unencyclopedic cruft to incubate indefinitely. This is unencyclopedic and promotional and I would oppose an outcome of draftification if consensus clearly shows (as it does now) deletion. Praxidicae (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear administrators is the record label official website showing him is not enough?

Agree to the points that reliable sources are not present online. But he is a very known person, while doing some searches, many keywords rank his name.

Anyways my last thing is record label offocial website showing him. If it is enough for the time. Then Keep it. Otherwise I also vote for Delete.

And I am a new user and I published this article directly. Which was my mistake. The Aaqib Anjum Aafī guided me to write the article in draft or sandbox before publishing.

Tell me if I can convert it (Vicky Manhas) to draft! So that I can submit it later, after finding reliable sources. TheChunky (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

mention on the noffici8al website of the publisher is not only not sufficient, it does not help at all. The publisher is not an independent source, it wants to sell copies and so is likely to be biased in favor of its recordings. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TheChunky: A subject needs to qualify WP:GNG and WP:SNG for having a Wikipedia article. If article fails WP:GNG but passes WP:SNG; we normally mark it has patrolled. The article in reference fails WP:SNG at every cost. A mere record label official website won't satisfy WP:SNG, we need significant coverage in multiple reliable sources for that. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 08:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok brother, but can you please tell me if I or you can convert this article to draft instead of getting deleted to dustbin, so that my work till now not get wasted. TheChunky (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. AfD closer will have look at every argument made here. I've changed my vote to draftify. You can strike your earlier vote by placing <s> and </s> at the start and end and ask for draft. Best. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 08:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The rule is that "information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." I have been unable to find any reliable, independent sources about Vicky Manhas (the musician). It is possible that some exist in Urdu or some other language that does not use Latin script. I have found four reliable sources that mention a different person called Vicky Manhas (the councillor for ward no.38).[2][3][4][5] There does not seem to be any point in userfication, because unless something changes in the real world, there will never be any reliable sources on Vicky Manhas (the musician).-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. People are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they have music available for sale on iTunes, or even because their existence is verified by the existence of a self-published profile on the website of their own record label — notability for people is not a question of the things the article says, but of the degree to which the article can or cannot be referenced to real reliable source journalism about him in real media. Not music stores, not PR materials: real journalism, or no dice. Bearcat (talk) 23:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As per Nom. Fails WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO. Numan765 (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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