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The result of the debate was delete. SushiGeek 09:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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non-notable fanzine-- Sasquatch t|c 06:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I got 20 google hits for it as a sidenote. Sasquatch t|c 06:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This magazine has definite plans to seek distribution deals and advertising, as well as taking subscriptions for its upcoming issues, it would be a shame to stifle such DIY creativity. I am eagerly awaiting issue 3. It's notable, it's just not on the internet. thanks! --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trumbull (talk • contribs) .

Sorry, but "has plans to..." doesn't quite cut it. I have plans to be notable someday but that doesn't quite make me notable. I encourage you to pursue your endeavour however, until your magazine reaches notability, it should not be included. This is the same with any emerging rock group or web comic. We do not write an article to publicise you (Wikipedia is not free advertising) but rather to note your achievements. In this case, I just don't think there's enough to note. Sasquatch t|c 06:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Complete vanity page. --metzerly 06:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per nom. --TM 16:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hi its just not on the internet man! minor threat didn't have a website and they were as real as it gets. this is really more a perspective problem on you guys' parts. go to any hardcore show and ask them about trumbull escapades fanzine. hardcore is the only real music in america and trumbull is the only real zine in hardcore. signed, a fan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trumbull (talk • contribs)

• • Minor Threat disbanded eight years before Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. Delete. --Metropolitan90 08:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, nn fanzine. Deliberate lack of website would take a grand total of one hit away from the search result, in any case being referenced by other media is far more important and just isn't there. Deizio 18:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it just doesnt have a website, it's plenty notable. plenty of current hardcore bands and contemporary hardcore fanzines dont have a website and are on our level — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trumbull (talk • contribs)

How can this be considered advertising? There isn't even any contact info. This fanzine might not be receiving the accolades of VQR or MRR but in certain circles is no less important. I rest my case: Sweet Deal didn't have a website. (Spaulding) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.253.109 (talk • contribs)

I personally have all issues and all versions of every issue of Trumbull Escapades. I have brought them along on many road trips, train rides, subway rides, and on airplanes to read. I know most content by heart and could quote at least half of it. In fact I often find myself referring to this magazine when asked information. Not only is the fanzine one of the few remaining american hardcore fanzines, it is also one of the best it's ever had. Its' greatness lies in the combination of a strong knowledge of hardcore, sneakers, general internet and related subjects, and the editors' unique sense of humour. Why would one deny the existance and importance of a fanzine because it has no website? First off why would this fanzine even want to have a website? If the editors have anything to say they will adress it in the fanzine, not on a website. Secondly I can't think of any "real" fanzines that ever had a website (not counting former fanzines turned magazine). I am appalled that in todays' world one simply does not EXIST if one does not have a website. So no, Trumbull Escapades does not have a website, for reasons explained above. Does that mean they are not a viable and important pillar of a strong american music culture? Does it mean they should not be represented on wikipedia? The correct answer here is no. Sincerely, Kevin Charles Alen.

• To all interested parties: the point here is this "topic" does not comply with the high standards set for inclusion in Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia and not a web-directory. Nobody is saying it's not a great, informative fanzine with a dedicated following, or that not having a website is grounds for not being notable. Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable as meeting the standards, and in the opinion of all the experienced editors who have thus far placed a comment here, this topic does not meet those standards. Further "this should be kept" comments not backed up by specific references to WP policies & guidelines and supported by verifiable evidence will not do your case any good. If you do a google search for The New Yorker, you will notice that only one of the results is for the publication's own web site - the other 27,099,999 are from other sources which reference and verify the existence and importance of the publication. That's what editors are looking for when applying the "google test", which is just one small consideration made when considering deletion. Deizio 20:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NN. Not having a web page is one thing; not being mentioned by anyone else on the Internet is another. I find it hard to believe that something with all of two issues out has any sort of following in the hardcore community. Morgan Wick 22:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

if you find that hard to believe then i find it hard to believe that experienced editors are looking at this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trumbull (talk • contribs)

Did you all actually do a google search? I did and I saw a handful of metions on myspace, a mention in some dude's blog, a thread on some msg board where someone was looking for one of the back issues, mentions on a trade list on howsyouredge.com, etc. Its true that it was only important to a small segment of the hardcore scene, but it is at least as important as Wikipedia's list of fictional worms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_worms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.253.109 (talk • contribs)

Comment Twenty hits as per this straight-forward Google search. --metzerly 05:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I already said that... look up :-) well, no harm in some redundancy I guess. Sasquatch t|c 05:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question Any of you nerds know how to download a movie(probably MOV, possibly FLV) from Macromedia Flash?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.101.250.112 (talk • contribs) .

Delete- per nom, Deizo and Morgan Wick. DVD+ R/W 21:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.