The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Having read the arguments put forward by the two most heavily involved parties, Butterfly0fdoom (talk · contribs) and Rsrikanth05 (talk · contribs), I took the decision to delete the article. My basis for this was primarily on the non-notability of the article's subject, which was judged according to Wikipedia's Notability Guideline.

However, I sympathise with the articles creator; Wikipedia does, in no way, aim to eliminate every article on non-Apple MP3 players - far from it. Nevertheless, Notability must be establised through reliable sources, unless the general standards of the encyclopedia should fall.

Whilst this article must not be re-created unless it satisfied Wikipedia's Policies and Guidelines, particularly such key ones as WP:N and WP:RELY, I would invite the article's original author to take the article's text, and develop it with reliable, third-party sources (in accordance with WP:RELY), in order for us to assert that it meets Wikipedia's basic article standards on Notability. Rsrikanth05, if you wish to contact me for the article's content, feel free to email me using the details located here. Kind regards, Anthøny ん 19:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transcend T.sonic

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The person that created the article (who is also the primary editor of the article) has failed to wikify his article and address the notability of the product he has created an article for. Butterfly0fdoom 18:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please give me a few more days, as my internet is problematic, I'll add more content, and try my best to wikify the article. --Rsrikanth05 14:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the problem is notability. You've failed to address that issue. And I doubt there will be a way you can address that issue. Butterfly0fdoom 22:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with merging it into Transcend, but doing so would imply that details on Transcend's other products should be added to the article, as well, then. Butterfly0fdoom 22:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why are against it, after all it is another PMP like the Zen, iPod or Zune, infact, it has a few more functions and features, as compared to the others. Also, I'll be glad to expand the Transcend Article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrikanth05 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC) --Rsrikanth05 08:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC) What do I need to do in order to make it natable? I know it can be made notable. --Rsrikanth05 08:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Guys, please give me a a few more days, as I have found plaaces which can be used for notability.--Rsrikanth05 16:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But does it bring anything new to the table? Is it innovative in any aspect? The Walkman, Zen, Sansa, Rio, and iPod lines are all notable in that, not only are they prominent in society (not necessarily popular, but prominent in that they, regardless of sales, are [or were, in the case of Rio] prominent in the social consciousness). They all had their own innovations. What about the Transcend? Does it have any defining characteristics? Does it have any outstanding innovations? You can't make a product notable, only the producer and the consumers can. Butterfly0fdoom 17:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is innovative, it is the first mp3 player with a trackwheel. Unless you think that is stupid. The iPod was NOT the first PMP. Also, I am a consumer, who can make the product notable. You say it is not popular, thus it should be deleted. The notabilty article states nothing about popularity. --Rsrikanth05 12:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I stated that popularity doesn't equate to notability. The first MP3 player (or the second one, even) wasn't popular, but both were notable, one for being the first, the second for having a lawsuit against it that pretty much made the MP3 player industry the way it is now a possibility. Creative's Nomad line was one of the more proliferating lines of MP3 players and helped bring such devices into the public consciousness. SanDisk's Sansa line was notable for accelerating the flash memory capacity war and the price war, due to SanDisk's position as a flash drive producer, giving them access to a hell of a lot of flash memory at cheap. Apple's iPod line is notable for its size, then its capacities, and also for its wheel-based interface. Diamond's Rio line was notable for the immense varieties of file formats it supported. What innovation does the Transcend have? Trackwheel? If you mean like a jog wheel on the side of the player, Creative's original Nomad Zen line used such track wheels. Or do you mean a circular, static-sensitive interface on the front of the device like the iPod has been using since 2002? Butterfly0fdoom 14:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Till you came along, no one said anything about deleting the article. Also take a look at this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PortableApps.com --Rsrikanth05 10:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What does that have to do with this? Portableapps.com is a notable website for its purpose. Yet, not being a developer, I didn't know it existed. But after reading the article, I know it exists and why it's notable. The Transcend T.sonic article doesn't explain how/why it's notable and you've failed to establish any notability, either. Butterfly0fdoom 07:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, see here: Talk:Transcend T.sonic#Tagged. If I didn't tag it for deletion, someone else would have. By the way, a product reviewed by C.net doesn't mean it's notable. They'll review most anything that the manufacturer sends them. The reviewing process has nothing to do with notability (unless like that one Coby player, it gets the worst rating ever).

Has any PMP ad a baery life of longer an 18 ours? Een e ipod does no, well inase you did no know, http://techbloggin.com/category/tsonic840/ Hae a look --Rsrikanth05 18:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-classic-nano-batteries-beat-apple-claims/11412 40 hours rated, 58 hours actual for a 160 classic. 24 rated and 30 actual for a nano. Butterfly0fdoom 07:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The T.sonic 840 at full volume, without the screensaver gives one 30 hours, the iPod gives only at 50% volume. Why are you agianst the T.sonic anyway? You do not like it, then ignore it. --09:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Also your link was from an Apple fan site, and all Apple fan sites over-rate the iPod for what it is. It lacks loads of features. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrikanth05 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Alos, David tagged the article for Reference, not natabilty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrikanth05 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it if you want to. Go ahead, i have a copy of the source anyway. I'll add the exact same details on to the Transcend page. --Rsrikanth05 07:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Also, this might not be notable to you, but the T.sonic also, acts as a PC lock, and boot device, you can lock your PC with it,a dn also boot your PC from it. --Rsrikanth05 05:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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