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The result was keep. Ρх₥α 01:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Name of the Band is Cowboy Mouth[edit]

The Name of the Band is Cowboy Mouth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Track listing of as yet unreleased album DVD. Move information to Cowboy Mouth discography which contains track listings of albums by same band. Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 15:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It is a film of a concert, not an album, of a notable band. Frog47 16:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Apologies, I had missed the fact that this is a DVD and not a CD. Nevertheless, in my opinion it fails to meet the notability criteria either for films or for music. Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 16:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I don't see anything wrong with albums (and DVDs) having their own articles. The discography article is only there because the album articles haven't been written yet. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Could you indicate which of the criteria for notability this article meets, either for films or for music? Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 16:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it passes the notability for films..."The film features significant involvement (ie. one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career." Clearly all of the musicians are notable, the first dvd of their careers is a major part of their careers, etc. It also passes the notability for music as the band is notable and one of the songs has charted. This article was put on afd literally 2 minutes after creation when it was just a track listing; now the article is clearly more than that. Frog47 16:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Non notable. Not sure what the two above keep !votes are actually based on, but albums, films, etc, are not automatically notable just becase they're been released. Crazysuit 19:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Non notable. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the "Albums" section of WP:MUSIC. Smashville 19:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  That says may have notability. However, this has not even been released yet and there is no assurance of inherited notability. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 20:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  It says "may have notability". I believe it would be the burden of those arguing to delete, then, to prove lack of notability. Smashville 20:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then you believe wrong, the burden of proof is on the creator of the article, or the keep !voters, to prove notability. If they fail to show notability, the article gets deleted. Simple.Crazysuit 00:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How so? If the policy says "it may be notable", then it is up to those arguing for deletion to prove the lack of notability of an existing article. It's a DVD/album by a notable band. Smashville 14:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - It is a notable band. A quick google search shows plenty of third party reviews of their albums, therefore there probably will be of this DVD. It has a firm release date, less than a month away. One of the musicians, Vance DeGeneres, is notable for more than just Cowboy Mouth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdavid3 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry forgot to sign Gdavid3 20:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Popular regional band, there will definitely be third party references to this DVD on the internet. If it is deleted, do not mark it as permanently so so it can be created after the release date when there is third party citations available. --Vanamar 23:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, currently non-notable as there doesn't appear to be verifiable sources at the moment so it fails WP:CRYSTAL. Doctorfluffy 06:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does pass the notability for films though..."The film features significant involvement (ie. one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career." Clearly all of the musicians are notable, the first dvd of their careers is a major part of their careers, etc. Frog47 16:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.