The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Snowball keep. Circeus 23:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spiders in culture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Unsourced, cluttered and trivial list. These "dumping ground" articles aren't useful. RobJ1981 04:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per not trivial collection/loosely associated/original research. Corpx 05:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Merge - Not sure if "x in culture" sections generally deserve their own article, but if they do then this one, while poorly put together, would seem to have some potential. Otherwise, merge the best of the content here with the Spiders article. Gatoclass 05:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep These "dumping ground" articles are useful.

I wouldn't say they were useful on the whole, but in this case, yes it is. Spawn Man 05:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This actually seems like a good topic for an article; there have been books and journal articles written about spiders in myth and folkore. I'll say Cleanup and keep. Zagalejo 05:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Unlike the In pop culture AfD's above, this article deserves to stay. Spiders have been depicted in numerous cultural and mythological settings, including Greek mythology among numerous others. I'd suggest renaming to "Cultural depictions of spiders" as was done with both Cultural depictions of lions and Cultural depictions of dinosaurs. CDO Lions was in the same boat as this article, but I have no doubt that Spiders IPC can be edited to the same standard - Let me get the editor who helped save those articles from the chop and I can garuntee you we'll have a referenced, proper article within a few days. I'd suggest not to pile on delete votes right now so that you can reserve your judgement until after any editing is completed. Cheers Spawn Man 05:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - article quality is not grounds for deletion. Agree wit hsuggested rename to Cultural depictions of spiders to more accurately describe what article would cover. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep, this looks slightly better than your average "X in popular culture" article. Also, spiders are much more notable than the Three Wise Monkeys or jetpacks, so there is more to write about them. JIP | Talk 05:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment So you think the Itsy Bitsy Spider in the mythology section is a keeper? Why not just delete this crap and write the article you're suggesting? This one is largely pop culture and trivial mentions in TV, games and books. MarkBul 05:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment C'mon... it's not that bad. In it's present form, it's still a decent navigational page. In any case, we don't usually delete a notable topic just because it needs cleanup. Zagalejo 06:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It's a list disguised by OK formatting. Completely OR. the_undertow ^talk 06:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment There are books and scholarly articles about the spider in folklore. The subject of the article is notable, even if the article is messy. Zagalejo 06:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note - I've begun working on the article - I've expanded the mythology sections and placed references as well as synthesising the whole section into a paragraphed text rather than bullet points. Hopefully the deletionists will see how great this article can become and that it is notable. Just because soething is poorly written, doesn't mean we should delete it. I'll try to add more refs and expand some more in regard to the bullet pointed lists below the mythology section. Any help or references are welcome - Spawn Man 09:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Having watched debates about 'in popular culture' since the orang utan saga some time ago - there is indeed a place and time for such articles and I believe the current write up and process of improvement justify keeping this article. Knowing a few individuals with with severe arachnidphobia it seems even more fitting that such an article exists. SatuSuro 12:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep definately needs a rewrite, but I think the potential is there.Darkcraft 13:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedily close as moot. The nominated title is now a redirect to Cultural depictions of spiders, which is good enough that few reasonable people would propose deleting it. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the nomination is not really moot, since it concerns not the title but the article, which has jsut been moved / renamed. So you may want to spell out your implicit 'keep'. --Tikiwont 14:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, keep [Cultural depictions of spiders]]. - Smerdis of Tlön 18:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep, because the new Cultural depictions of spiders article is not just a list and is actually organized quite well into text that describes the topic and their contexts. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Redirect to Cultural depictions of spiders. shoy 15:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep particularly unjustified attempt to delete an "in popular culture" article. Artw 17:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Every attempt to delete an "in popular culture" article is justified. Unencyclopedic list of barely related facts. Man It's So Loud In Here 18:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Cultural depictions of spiders, keep the text (but delete the list!) Man It's So Loud In Here 18:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • Don't worry, the list aspect isn't staying long. I was working on the article last night, but everyone has to go to sleep sometime... Spawn Man 23:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This one is different. It needs a lot of cleanup and removal of the bullet list, but the extensive text makes this different from the other triviacruft articles. Corvus cornix 18:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep if we can have I Got a Crush... on Obama, then we can have this as well.IP198 21:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Needs some trimming, but spiders have fascinated mankind since at least 1920. Mandsford 22:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.