The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete due to lack of references. MaxSem^{(Han shot first!)} 10:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Songs from The Legend of Zelda series (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

No notability outside the games themselves. Miremare 03:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Miremare 03:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete: Fancruft. If it is important to the game itself, merge in each games' article. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Per Rjd0060. The songs do not need a separate article. Maser ^(Talk!) 07:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: searches of Google news and scholar prove otherwise: [1], and [2]. I realize that there are a fair few which are not usable as sources, but there are enough to provide evidence for notability.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 09:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Rjd0060. Which is a pity, the games are so great, and so is the music. :) ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 10:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete While the theme of having songs in the Zelda series deserves mention, listing these songs will (IMO) always be Original Research or a game guide. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Change to Keep, rename to Music in The Legend of Zelda and rewrite per Disavian. Amazon lists quite a few soundtrack (which I had been completely unaware of previously), but this article should then be centered around the (real-world) soundtracks, not mainly in-universe elements and plot. – sgeureka ^t•c 22:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I like that idea, especially the new name. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 22:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, feel free to post on another site but doesnt really fit into an encyclopedia. -RiverHockey (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete per Rjd0060; the content isn't suitable by itself, but a more general article on Zelda music may be able to establish notability. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep Music plays a fairly important role in the Zelda series, and multiple Zelda soundtracks have been released as CDs over the years. Some more real world information is needed, but KrytenKoro's links provide some good leads for finding that kind of stuff. This article, for example, has a lengthy analysis of the music in Ocarina of Time. Zagalejo^^^ 20:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Needs to establish notability thorough referencing and appears unable to do so. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the multiple (probably notable) Zelda soundtracks released over the years. This is a less substantial claim, but when people hear one of the main Zelda tunes, they probably recognize it. some of these articles may be relevant. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 22:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This not significant enough for an article. Just merge and place info in various articles in the Zelda categories. Saria's song in the Saria article for example.YVNP (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Yes, I admit creator bias, but hear me out. Music is central to several installments of the series. As others have said the music is recognizable, and has been released on several soundtracks. But, more important to consider may be the question of why we have articles about characters and enemies in the series( and no, this is not a Pokémon test argument). The answer: because they are important recurring aspects. In Zelda, so is the music. I would not make the same argument about the music in the Mario series, for example. It’s great music, and very recognizable, but the difference is that in the Zelda series, the songs are integrated into the core gameplay and puzzle solving of several titles. Well, I’m tired and it’s not the most eloquent argument I’ve ever made, but hopefully I got my point across. Oh, and, briefly, what exactly is the nominator’s point? Many subjects of articles( characters, locations, fictional histories) are not necessarily notable beyond their importance to the larger work. That doesn’t mean notability is assumed to be inherited, it just means that information about notable aspects does not necessarily fit in full in the main articles. --WikidSmaht (talk) 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Basically there are not references, so there is no verifiability, and to keep this article from being deleted, it needs development information and stuff like that. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I don't see why any of the relevant and notable material can't be merged into the article. Just because it can attain some sites on a Google search doesn't make it adequately notable either. It's like typing in "Gameplay of The Legend of Zelda", and making an article out of that if a few sites appear. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. A crucial part of one of the biggest series out there, and - and this is important - works better as coverage of that series as its own article. If we sacrifice that to better uphold the rules, we are by definition wrong. Sources have been provided, the music has been played in numerous concerts and a half-time song or two. Several soundtracks have been released. I do support covering those. --Kizor (talk) 00:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep, music is one of the most important parts of the Zelda series, and the main theme of the game is arguably one of the most recgonizable music tunes of all time. Knowitall (talk) 05:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Just a comment on some of the "keep" arguments: Firstly, music is "important" to many games, but without sources specifically discussing "Songs from Zelda" there's no justification for a seperate article, and anything that is important should be mentioned in the articles on the games themselves. Secondly, this article isn't about the Zelda soundtrack albums that have been released, it's about songs played by the character in-game to perform specific tasks (and is more than a bit WP:NOT#GUIDE). Articles on the soundtracks already exist, such as The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (soundtrack), The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Soundtrack, The Legend of Zelda The Ocarina of Time Original Soundtrack. Miremare 15:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for pointing this out, but it won't change my recommendation. I just found Music of Kingdom Hearts (a Good Article) yesterday, and I think the soundtracks and what's salvageable of this AfD'ed article should all be merged into one big Music article, which has the potential to become a GA one day. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music of Kingdom Hearts has more than proven notability, this article has proven none, despite claims that it is so important. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I recommended a renaming of this article and merge the other soundtrack articles there. Then the article has pretty much the same basis as the Kingdom Hearts music article, including an established notability. Independent of the outcome of this AfD, I'll probably do the merge myself. – sgeureka ^t•c 09:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Pointless, should be moved to a gaming wiki at most.---E-Magination (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as it passed as a keep before and is a discriminate and verifiable article of one of the all time most notable game series. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Consensus can change, so stop ignoring that fact. Being kept in one AFD, doesn't mean it should always be kept. RobJ1981 (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Rjd0060 Solution and transwiki to a gaming wiki if need be. Thanks!, Codelyoko193 (T/C) 23:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Already done when it was first nominated (A better version was transwikied) see here --Cs california 07:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep- needs a ton of work, but I'm confident sources can be added in. I found one or two in passing just today, not even looking, including the Gametrailers LoZ retrospective, which discuss both the role in the games and the reaction and legacy. A bad article can become a Good Article. David Fuchs ^(talk) 02:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That source seems to be a blog... Miremare 02:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Then maybe you didn't follow the link to the main page, but Joystiq is still a source too... David Fuchs ^(talk) 00:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, I know it's Joystiq, but I still don't believe a single blog (or any number of blogs for that matter) proves notability. Miremare 00:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • We're not basing this on a single blog. Other sources have been presented, like this. Zagalejo^^^ 00:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • That one talks about how the player must "play" music to accomplish specific tasks in Ocarina of Time. That could justify a section about this in the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time article, but I don't see how it justifies anything more. There's little that can be said about that aspect of the game without venturing into game-guide territory, which is what this article already does. Miremare 01:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete This is completely useless for an encyclopedia. It is completely unreferenced and cannot ever be referenced either. .:Alex:. 17:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.