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The result was merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. – Joe (talk) 11:05, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sindel[edit]

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One more Mortal Kombat character afflicted with no longer meeting WP:GNG requirements. Like the other redirects, her article content is trivial with the usual generic reception, most of which were nonviable VG sources and recently removed. Third-party coverage overall is scant (Google searches of her name have less than ten pages of results) and while she has received attention for her infamous movie dialogue and awful MK11 retcon, even that is sparse and can easily be covered in the main MK character article, to where this should be merged/redirected. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 17:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Video games. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 17:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/Redirect Wikipedia is not FANDOM, there is too much fan-relevant information but no indication of standalone notability. This character is, like most Mortal Kombat characters, better off as part of a character list due to a lack of standalone significant coverage. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/redirect to character list. Andre🚐 18:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/redirect per all. Best practice has been to listify some of the less notable characters. Fails the WP:GNG without more coverage. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Unlike Sheeva, I find that Sindel has enough here. As you said, she gained notoriety for her MK11 retcon. This is noted by Comicbook.com, Den of Geek and The Mary Sue. She was also notorious for killing a large chunk of MK9's roster while apparently under a spell before the retcon. Like Nightwolf and unlike Sheeva, she also has received a DLC review from IGN, which also notes the MK11 retcon. DualShockers and Schacknews have hands-on previews for her in MK11. While it's a in a different language, this document does some analyses on the character. MoonJet (talk) 19:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but once again, MJ, you're just blindly chucking out links without seeing the forest for the trees. I searched for any notable material on the character beforehand and found nothing, hence the nomination, while a load of useless content was removed from the article itself. All the sites provided merely report on a DLC trailer released by NRS with the usual generic coverage about her story and gameplay. As previously discussed in the Rain AfD, these previews do not automatically establish notability. Hell, Mavado or Jarek could be put into MK11 tomorrow and the gaming press would go gaga all the same. For all the fan outrage about her retcon, it seems the press could care less as the only site you've linked (Comicbook.com) devotes one whole paragraph to it with no insight or commentary. Lastly, as also covered in the Nightwolf AfD, college theses are not acceptable sources. Long story short, nothing here justifies keeping the article. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 18:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"As previously discussed in the Rain AfD, these previews do not automatically establish notability."

True, but I feel it does in this case. Story and gameplay are also good things to have verified. After all, the main reason notability exists is to have enough verifiable information to write an article. Look, let's just agree to disagree.

"Hell, Mavado or Jarek could be put into MK11 tomorrow and the gaming press would go gaga all the same"

Not necessarily. Sheeva was added to MK11 as DLC, and she got barely anything outside the Valnet sites. Sindel and Nightwolf has gotten much more in comparison.

As for the document source, there's nothing indicating it's a master's thesis. MoonJet (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting after request from an editor for one more week of discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.