The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 20:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-hardcore gamer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Article seems to be a made up term, combination of two prefixes to make some sort of neologism, possibily not even notable enough to be a neologism, poosibly a made up term. Google turns up little-nothing. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 09:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Hardcore gamer and casual gamer are actual marketing segments recognized by the industry (and the articles fail to reflect this as well as they should). This is just something made up at a clan meet for people who took the division in the market too seriously. These were not terms that gamers initially used to separate themselves, they were made up by people trying to figure out how to sell games, then popularized when the gaming press wrote about them. --Dhartung | Talk 09:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A semi-hardcore gamer really is a category of gamer. They can't be hardcore because they're casual session wise. They can't be causal because they have too many games and high end hardware. Why is this being deleted? My IGN Collection is proof this type of gamer does exist. Plus I cant' be hardcore, because my blog entries on gaming aren't popular and I can't communicate well with true hardcore gamers. Renegadeviking 4:59 AM August 1st, 2007

If you're being serious, Then the article doesn't meet several guidelines and has several problems.

1.Not notable.

2.Original research.

3.Neologism.

4.No reliable sources.

Wikidudeman ^(talk) 10:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relayable source Do you see any reply comments on my [blog? How about you look up RenegadevikingPS3 on PS3forums.com and see how many actual replies he gets? renegadeviking

• Blogs and forums are not classed as reliable sources (see WP:SPS). Magazine articles, news stories, marketing reports and the like are reliable, and if we had several of these showing the term is used to describe a distinct demographic of gamer there wouldn't be a problem, but chitter-chatter on UGC sites is not proof of anything. Delete per nom - unverifiable neologism, and the article as it stands reads like WP:NFT material. ~Matticus ^T_C 10:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Right... this smells a lot like vanity for starters as it's written by, referencing and untimately supported by a single user. But crucially, as per nom, it is a non-notable term referencing defined marketing terms... whether or not the term "hardcore" can be measured (which is another discussion entirely). So that would be a Delete from myself. OBM | ^{blah blah blah} 10:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is my game collection. I have 580 - 600 games I'm the one who typed this up. I know this sounds brizzare, but they hate me because I'm American. All the british people are popular. I've played the five most popular games for every platform. This happens to only me as far as I konw! It's crazy. renegadeviking

• Yep, and that's a problem, for the reasons the nominator has posted. If you have issues about other people on another website, this isn't the place for them. OBM | ^{blah blah blah} 10:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I'd agree also to delete this. It's clearly just a made-up term, not very important. Just about everything can be semi, why make an article especially for semi-hardcore gamer? Inks002 10:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WTF. I do not have issues with this site. People don't comment on my blog! WTF. I don't get it? I'm not in control! WTF. How do you expect me to be in control of replies? People for some reason (perhaps beyond my comprehension) will not reply to me on forums or my blog. And it's really hard to find people who'll give a shit about my opinion in the gaming industry! Maybe a better catagory would be unpopular hardcore gamer. Renegadevikings

• Wikipedia is not the place to bring your grievances about activities in other online communities. This is an encyclopedia, not MySpace. ~Matticus ^T_C 10:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a myspace user. I am trying to be a part of a community and it makes me mad that hardcore gamer is a very strange term for me to be categorized in, because I can't afford to not work and play games all the time. My living style prevents me from being a genius at cutting edge videogame knowledge even if i have a most brilliant game selection by reviewer score at home. I have the highest IGN reviewer score with the amount I have. It's a 8.7, but was 8.8 only 5 games eariler. Renegadevikings

I mean that in the sense that you are using Wikipedia like MySpace to write about yourself. You have provided nothing to suggest this term is anything other than a group you invented to put yourself in. Do professional journalists use the term? Do marketers use the term? Can you provide proof they do? If not, the article cannot be kept. Your blog and game collection is only proof that you use the term, not the games industry, its marketers or its press. ~Matticus ^T_C 11:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google semi-hardcore gamer and you'll come up with 3 pgs to prove I didn't invent the term and that I'm not the only one with these issues. Renegadeviking

Almost all of them blogs and forums, and those that aren't merely use it in passing as a self-description. That doesn't make it an identified demographic, nor does it make the usage of the term widespread, notable or verifiable. ~Matticus ^T_C 12:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as a nonsensical unsourced neologism Will ^(talk) 12:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Creator seems not to have a stable grasp on most wikipolicies. this along with several other articles he's created fail most of those policys and guidelines miserably. DurinsBane87 12:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:OR. -- Jelly Soup 13:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Let's end this. Speedy delete under A7 WP:OR, WP:V. It's not vain anymore, but there's still little hope for an encyclopedic article with no reliable sources on a dubious term. Sidatio 13:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC) (edited by Sidatio 15:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]
• Speedy delete per Sidatio. --Targeman 14:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: as vanity article, neologism. Possibly someone could take Renegadevikings aside and explain that this isn't Myspace and works under a slightly different set of rules and customs.  RGTraynor  14:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a encyclopedia. It will NEVER MATCH THE QUALITY OF Encyclopaedia Britannica. It's a public domain mess stating European biased shit. It's a good information site for videogames though. No American institution will use wikipedia as a source because it's so low quality. It will never have that sort of quality as long as it's open so why talk like it is one. renegadeviking

Comment: All right, renegadeviking - settle down. You're taking this FAR too personally. Wikipedia has guidelines in regards to its articles, and this one simply doesn't add up. Is Wikipedia the most factual reference in all of existence? Of course not. Is it of "so low quality" that "no American institution will use Wikipedia as a source"? Ask the Daily Illini. Just because one of your articles fails to measure up to standards doesn't mean you should go on a rant against the joint. It certainly doesn't help you here!

Read the five pillars, check out the guidelines, and silence your critics by creating great articles. It's the best possible advice I can give to you. Best of luck! Sidatio 14:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not on a rant! You're comparing my article with myspace! The only reason why my friends are on myspace is their friends are on myspace and they don't talk to me...get it? Plus, I was going to build it up through-out the day, but I got a delete message in five minutes after I summited it so now I'm fighting to keep it here. Now if you back off for a day and let me improve it...i will. I want it because I know there is a middle category. I hear "semi-hardcore gamer" at Game Stop. PS3forums are a bunch of wusses and won't come on here, because they hate me. Actually, PS3forums members think their too elite/smart to come on here. They wouldn't dare chance their stupid little credibility on here. I would.

Rasmussen College of Lake Elmo, MN will not use it as a source and neither would Renessiance Academy of River Falls, Wisconsin so I guess "American Institution" means "Instution of Learning" which is what a encyclopedia is used for these days Renegadeviking.

Wow, this is getting a little too contentious for my taste. The Daily Illini is the newspaper of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. You may also want to see the school and university project page here. Of course, this is so far off topic that we might as well be discussing politics. Why not put your energies into article creation instead of defending what is little more than a vanity page and doing your best to alienate yourself from people who are trying to help you out here? Sidatio 15:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Beyond that, a Google search for this alleged widely spread neologism returns a paltry 38 unique hits [1], each and every one of them from a blog or a forum post. Unfortunately, while I sympathize with the creator's professed unpopularity, that doesn't excuse the need for reliable sources. None have yet been supplied.  RGTraynor  16:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Starts off badly ("A Semi-hardcore gamer is the unofficial name...", A neologism then) then continues with original research, plugs an unimportant user page on IGN (not exactly a reliable source), uses inappropriate tone (WP:TONE) and provides no other sources (WP:V). Marasmusine 15:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per nom. Questionable resources in intro and rest seems to be made up. Seems like a vanity article. --DanielCD 16:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as original research. Shalom ^Hello 01:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.