The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, certainly no consensus to delete. NawlinWiki 02:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Russ Martin

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Note to closing admin: this AfD was heavily vandalised/meatpuppet-ed. There were lots of keep !votes (and little more) from spas/meatpuppets on this page, but these were reverted and the page semi-protected after a report here at WP:AN/I. They're now leaving their hundreds of keep votes on this here talk page. Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 21:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hehehe...Russ just mentioned this deletion on the air. He jokingly agreed that he's not notable enough for an article, and said something to the effect of "well, I guess we'll see the fallout of this on the Arbitron ratings..."Shnakepup 00:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Russ Martin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

He's one of several local DJs radio talk show hosts in the Dallas area, not syndicated. He is mentioned in passing from time to time in the Dallas media (see talk page for links), not unlike local traffic reporters and weatherpersons. There are some brief mentions of charity work he's done, but plenty of people get brief local media mentions for charity work; that doesn't make them notable. The article is all OR, which is not in itself a reason to delete, but the apparent fact that none of his biography or "notable bits" can be independently sourced suggests that this guy just isn't notable enough to merit an article. Cap'n Walker 16:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Which means this is a witch-hunt to get rid of this specific article since all the article links I provided (and there are many many others in that category) would qualify for deletion under the same reasoning as this one - but they don't matter, just Russ Martin's article. Even Mark Davis, another local DJ, has an article about him (and his show a separate one). Another prime example of power users here getting to decide what stays and what doesn't. ♫ Bitch and Complain Sooner ♫ 17:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • He was syndicated in Austin. After the program manager (Dusty Hayes) down there decided to pull Martin, the station's ratings magically rose when the books came out a few weeks later - so he's known outside of Dallas. There are over 6 million potential listeners in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. Hardly un-notable if his show is number one. ♫ Bitch and Complain Sooner ♫ 17:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think he's notable on the basis of "potential listeners," and a very brief syndication in Austin makes little difference. Cap'n Walker 18:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I noticed you ignored the comment about the show being number one so I thought I would follow up. When a talk radio show beats out every station in the ratings, including music programming, it is significant. On top of that, his show is during afternoon/evening drive time (3-7 PM), so being number one means you're reaching a huge listener base. I will note that "number one" can mean lots of things. Key demographics for advertisers are 18-34, 25-54, and the like; men in these age groups are a sought after more than women because of the reality of their buying power. Between summer 2004 and summer 2005, Russ Martin Show maintained its No. 1 spot with adults 25-54, and rose from third to first for adults 18-34. Russ has been voted "Best Talk Host" by D Magazine and has been Readers Choice for Best Radio Talk Show in the Dallas Observer Readers Poll. All of this seems notable to me. I agree as previously stated that the key to this debate should focus on the article's content and not whether Russ is noteworthy; he is clearly noteworthy if for nothing other than controversy.--Randallking 12:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, the article does need more sources. The ultimate irony, however, is that Russ can’t stand excessive praise for his charity work. In fact, he often snubs the news media when they want to mention his name because he thinks it’s ostentatious and that it cheapens his good deeds. Davidetoms 19:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The more I research this, the more obvious it becomes that this user is abusing the deletion process by selectively targeting this radio station and/or the Russ Martin Show. This program is NUMBER 1 in its afternoon drive time slot in the NUMBER 5 radio market in the U.S. And I have found numerous other Dallas/Fort Worth radio personalities on Wikipedia whose ratings pale in comparison and who have not been targeted for deletion for "lacking notability". J.A.McCoy 01:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks stripped out of this vote, user blocked for disruption and personal attacks. ViridaeTalk 02:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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