The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. It's marketing for a film at best, there's really no need for this to have an article. If someone wants to badly merge any salvageable info let me know, I'll give you the deleted material.Wizardman 17:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Road To High School Musical 2

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HSMcruft Will ^(talk) 16:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Speedy Keep: It's a notable mini-series that just needs expansion. I see no reason for deletion. Sidatio 16:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rookie mistake on my part - I didn't realize this wasn't a true miniseries, but rather a collection of 5 minute clips. Aside from that, the few notable sources I was able to find seem to have dried up. If there's one thing being married has taught me, it's to know when I'm wrong. Delete. Sidatio 00:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - informing and notable. Onnaghar (Talk) 18:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:WP:USEFUL. Also, I don't see anywhere where it says it's notable. Yes, it's a spin-off of High School Musical - so what? So is Stories from East High, and that got deleted at AFD. Twice. There are literally no sources whatsoever to attest to its notability. Will ^(talk) 18:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:Notability isn't just news outlets, you know. The fact that it's a miniseries on a notable network run by a highly notable company is enough to satisfy, in my opinion. ~~There's articles on more obscure television series - why not this one?~~ There seems to be a stronger argument to keep and expand rather than delete, especially if we're just basing the delete argument on notability. Sidatio 18:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:Also - this isn't exactly a spinoff of High School Musical - it's more of a "making-of", or a lead-up to the actual movie. It may or may not be important to note that, but there it is. Sidatio 18:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:I could theoretically CSD it, as it doesn't assert its notability. Yes, it airs on Disney Channel, and quite a lot. So did the music video for "Hold On" by the Jonas Brothers, at the same frequency. I know this may be a straw man, but the article for "Hold On" redirects to the Jonas Brothers article. To use another example, there is not an article for "H2O" (an Australian Nickelodeon show). Your reply really reads like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Will ^(talk) 18:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's even more illogical to argue we shouldn't have something because we don't yet have an article on some similar topic. Everyking 23:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definite Keep, if all articles on television programs were deleted, we would have a very skinny wikipedia!
Comment:Slippery slope. Will ^(talk) 18:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Although the series began with inheritated notability, it has become a staple in Disney Channel's current commerical broadcasting and has become notable in its own right. Snoborder93 06:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:I'd like to see the numbers that say this video got the same air time as this series, but that's semantic. You may or may not agree with its notability. I tend to think the argument as outlined above by yours truly establishes notability. Again, semantic - it's a difference of opinion. Some tend to think it's only notable if it's in the news. I don't know if that's what you believe, but I tend to think the particulars I outlined above warrant notability. I guess that's a call the admin will have to make. As to your argument under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - I don't see the correlation, unless you're focusing on what I said about other series. I'll roll with that, and strike out that particular section of my argument. Of course, by the same token, your "H2O" argument reads the same. :-)

Finally, the slippery slope - that could roll both ways. One could argue that allowing a series despite a lack of press coverage could become a detriment in the future, could they not? Could be sohpistry if applied here.

The fact remains: this particular miniseries is about a notable TV movie, airing on a notable cable TV network and bankrolled by a notable company. If it can be expanded properly, it deserves to stay. If not, it should be merged. Either way, I still don't see a reason to delete, with all due respect. :-) Sidatio 19:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 19:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided, but leaning toward Delete as all it contains is a heading and table. Not even close to enough information. (And I'm tired of these IP editors sticking all this "Emma Bolton" and/or other ficticious Troy Bolton siblings). WAVY 10 17:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC) (p.s.: Sorry about the rant at the end)[reply]

Comment:I won't argue that it needs expansion - badly - but I don't think that alone would be enough to delete it. Sidatio 18:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete and Merge. The article is not even anything important.172.191.100.66 21:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete do we have a notability guideline for tv series? I haven't found one, perhaps it's time to formulate one. Worldwide there are probably at least as many tv networks as there are countries, and many countries have several. Heck, most cable operators in the US have literally hundreds of channels. There is content out the ears; surely, not everything aired by anyone (even dropping out community access channels) is notable. Disney channel is notable, but not all the shows that it airs are. Carlossuarez46 18:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable. Everyking 23:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, page is still getting vandalized. WAVY 10 13:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into High School Musical 2. ~ Wikihermit 19:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge These appear to be "the making of..." shorts, more-or-less 5 minute commercials for High School Musical 2. It's not really a programme in-and-of-itself, just marketing for the upcoming film. SkierRMH 05:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.