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The result was delete. There is insufficient coverage in secondary sources; the sources given (e.g. punknews.org) are all related to the subject. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Was speedily deleted A7 but an editor requested the page be restored, so I'm running it through here. Fails WP:Notability (music), WP:CORP. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The 'run from an apartment' obviously rings alarm bells, but 8 bands with their own pages on Wikipedia? (The band pages also appear to be barely notable at best) I've added a note to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Punk_music. Paulbrock (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Many of the bands may not be notable but when speedying this the other day, truth be told, I didn't want to stir that up on a fishing trip. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The only source given in the article is their official website ( a Myspace page) and I can't find any more reliable sources from which to create a verifiable encyclopaedia article. Guest9999 (talk) 00:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Wikipedia:Notability (music) defines important indie labels as "an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable". There are a number of noteable bands on this label:

• The Falcon (band)- Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable, the band features The Lawrence Arms members Brendan Kelly (guitar and vocals) and Neil Hennessy on drums, as well as Alkaline Trio's Dan Andriano on bass. Todd Mohney, former member of Rise Against previously played guitar.

• The Lillingtons- Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels. The Lillingtons were previously on Lookout! Records one of the most famous punk labels that has released material by Green Day, Operation Ivy, and a slew of other famous punk bands.

• The Methadones- Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable, The Methadones are fronted by Dan Vapid, a well known punk musicican who has been a member of Screeching Weasel, The Riverdales, The Queers, and Sludgeworth. They have also included his former bandmates Dan Lumley who was also in Screeching Weasel and The Riverdales, and B-Face who was also in The Queers. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels, The Methadones have released albums for A-F Records, the record company that has released albums for the now major label signee Anti-Flag, among other notable punk bands, as well as Thick Records, the label that has brought Alkaline Trio among many others.

• Sundowner (band)- Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable, the band is an acoustic project of Chris McCaughan from The Lawrence Arms and The Broadways.

• Teenage Bottlerocket- Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable, the band was formed by Kody Templeman after the breakup of is previous band The Lillingtons.

• Enemy You- Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels. The band released a full length album on Panic Button Records, an imprint of the aforementioned Lookout! Records. As well as EPs on Geykido Comet Records and Fat Wreck Chords.

Hoponpop69 (talk) 17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. WP:MUSIC has nothing to say on the notability of labels, and the quote by Hoponpop69 refers to the use of labels to establish bands notability,rather than that of the label. That leaves either WP:N or WP:CORP, both of which use the standard "significant coverage in secondary sources" and it has coverage in www.punknews.org,www.absolutepunk.net; furthermore the roster of bands suggests the label itself is notable; if there are arguments that the band articles don't meet WP:MUSIC then I may change my mind. Paulbrock (talk) 00:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Would you mind giving some examples of the coverage they have received at those sites, I could only find a practically blank profile page and several mentions of "(Red Scare)" after an artists name or "Red Scare's" before it, nothing that could be used to source verifiable content for an article. Guest9999 (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• [1] there's over 28918 news items pertaining to the label on punknews.org.Hoponpop69 (talk) 01:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The articles I saw were press releases, for example [2]. PhilKnight (talk) 21:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Agree with Paulbrock. Messwemade (talk) 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. PhilKnight (talk) 21:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per PhilKnight. I should also point out that Punknews.org is not a reliable source, as it is a user-generated site without significant editorial oversight (hence the "submit news" link at the top of the page and unattributed news stories such as this one). --jonny-mt 06:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as article is unsourced and Google News and News Archives comes up empty suggesting that there are not sufficient sources to justify an article on this label. Capitalistroadster (talk) 07:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on what you search for "Red Scare Industries" yields no hits, but "Red Scare Records" gets a couple and ["Red Scare" punk] picks up a few more (obviously not all results are relevant). Paulbrock (talk) 14:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Cannot find any significant coverage in reliable sources so must support deletion as failing to meet any of the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 17:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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