The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus of the discussion is that this specific item lacks independent notability to have a standalone article. No prejudice against creating it as a redirect and/or including material about it in the article about McEntire. RL0919 (talk) 18:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Red Sandy Spika dress of Reba McEntire[edit]

Red Sandy Spika dress of Reba McEntire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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This article is just trivial information that is best suited for both articles listed in the article and its own article. I think this should be deleted for being pointless. Pahiy (talk) 15:52, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Trivial object, yes, but covered in sources as if it isn't. Hyperbolick (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 17:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 17:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep not sure why, but it seems to have been covered enough to pass GNG. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 17:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We aren't obligated to retain articles simply because the subject is covered by other sources.----Pontificalibus 13:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - famous does not mean notable - the WP:ONEEVENT guideline is for people, but I think the principle applies here, a dress notable for one event, no lasting significance or sustained coverage WP:SUSTAINED - therefore, delete - additional: if the dress is signigicant, this article could be Merged with the Reba McEntire article, but it is certainly not notable enough for a stand-alone article - Epinoia (talk) 19:44, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do you square your assertion with the sources, pointed out in the first AFD discussion, that were discussing the dress 20 years after the event? Uncle G (talk) 13:27, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would note that WP:LASTING asks that an event be "a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance" or have "a noted and sourced permanent effect of historical significance". The two articles presented as lasting coverage in the previous AfD (Rolling Stone and Billboard) say nothing about the impact of the dress on fashion. They are very much of the tone "remember that one event, wasn't it notable" (apparently because the dress was revealing). Where are the fashion magazines and books and fashion designers talking about the influence of the dress on fashion or design? ----Pontificalibus 15:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This article makes me question my mental health, mostly because of how long I've spent thinking about it. I don't think the dress has independent notability. I never thought I'd be typing those words, but here we are. Certainly it's been referenced in sources but it does not have sufficient coverage to merit it's own article. Cosmic Sans (talk) 13:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Proposal: Rename to Sandy Spika Borchetta, add line of biography about the designer (who has apparently also red-carpet dressed Taylor Swift). @Pontificalibus, Epinoia, Cosmic Sans, and Uncle G: ? Hyperbolick (talk) 15:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think it would work even under a different name. I just don't think the dress deserves it's own article. I've also considered how implausible it would be that anyone would ever visit Wikipedia and type in "Red Sandy Spika dress of Reba McEntire." Cosmic Sans (talk) 18:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I actually agree with Epinoia on this being properly part of the Reba McEntire biography. But it is important that people read and evaluate all of the sources presented, in the prior AFD discussion, in the article, and now. Uncle G (talk) 10:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. It is not the mission of an encyclopedia to follow celebrity trivia. I'm pretty much with Pontificalibus on this one; none of the presented sources have any discussion or analysis that could in any way pass for factual information from which an encyclopaedia article could be built. It boils down to this woman once wore a red dress at an event. Has anything been written about this outside the WP:ONEEVENT of the context of the awards ceremony? No. Then it doesn't belong. SpinningSpark 22:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Reba McEntire ¶ Two of the sources in the article are about the garment, specifically, and I suspect there might be a few more. The others only mention the dress, though. As it stands, this doesn't warrant an entire article on its own, but can easily be dropped into the wearer's article appropriately. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly would this fit into the Reba McEntire article? It certainly wouldn't be appropriate in the "musical career" or "acting career" sections...what would you say and in what context? ----Pontificalibus 06:02, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, ephemeral/one event. Possibly merge to Reba McEntire. This is not a keep vote. Stifle (talk) 11:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as fashion cruft. Good sourcing is necessary, but not sufficient, to justify an article. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.