The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, hopefully someone'll sweep up the dust bunnies before another Sternless good faith editor comes knockin' at Red's door. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Apparently this article is about somebody who has a job (in his case, writing songs, singing and hosting shows), but I cannot seem to find independent, reliable sources attesting his notability, neither in the article nor with a quick Google search. Goochelaar (talk) 16:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, for now Right away this is a name I recognize, likely due to the Howard Stern show, as many will. According to Wikipedia:Music#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles, I'd say he definitly passes 10 and 12. He has definitely had his own show on Sirius, broadcast nationally. He will certainly be tough to get great sources for, and it looks like there is some COI editing within the article, but regardless, I'd say he meets our basic notability standards.Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 19:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is Red Peters. I have checked this pages contents and approve of everything it says. It is all true and factual. For the gentleman above, Goochelaar, please Google me again. There are more than 250,000 entries for my name. To claim there are no reliable sources attesting to my notability, is being untruthful. If the subject matter or lyrics of my songs bother you, don't visit this wikipedia entry. But, don't prohibit others from viewing the facts about my life. It is all true. In America, we relish freedom of speech. And that is what my songs and show on Sirius celebrate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redpeters (talk • contribs) 21:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Red, when you put your name in quotes, "Red Peters", there are no where near 250,000 hits, just for future reference.Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 22:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is Red again. Thank-you Gwynand for your clarification about putting "Red Peters" in quotations. You are correct. There are 2900. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.248.89 (talk) 04:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Answer to the self-styled Red Peters - First of all, thanks for your answer. If there is one thing I find likeable about Red Peters (all I know about him is from this article, alas) is the tenor of his lyrics. As for the rest:

1. Be so kind as to not make assumptions about me, not knowing me.
2. Please reread Wikipedia's policies about reliable sources and conflict of interests. I'll be glad to change my mind (and perhaps to buy some of Peters' records) when I see references to magazines, newspapers, reliable and independent websites etc.

Thanks and happy editing, Goochelaar (talk) 23:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 11:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Userfy to User:Redpeters. Does not seem notable enough himself. Stifle (talk) 11:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Userfy or Delete par above. Doesn't seem notable. Excirial ^{(Talk,Contribs)} 15:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• keep Seems the article just needs to include a few cites. Working with and being a guest on the Howard Stern Show makes him notable. That is an accomplishment in my opinion and it reveals how many people have heard his work. The same goes for the HBO show. We just need to see specific cites. The person who created this article simply needs to add those cites (Roodhouse1 (talk) 19:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

• keep, for now per Gwynand. AfD hero (talk) 08:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no reliable independent sources for notability. for a figure of with this sort of notability , 3700 ghits or so is more an indication of non-notability than notability. I pay very little attention to what he subject of an article says about his own importance or non-importance. DGG (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep If you look at this article from the 'musician' POV, it does pass WP:MUSIC#C5 since the artist has [1],[2],[3] albums released through Oglio Records and only 2 are required to establish notability according to WP:MUSIC.--Captain-tucker (talk) 17:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.