The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Cirt (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested prod. Pointless article about a drummer who is only notable for being a member of The Feeling, in which article the little that there is to say about him can be better covered. The prod was removed with "subject is most likely independently notable (see http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Paul+Stewart%22+drummer+%22the+feeling%22&btnG=Search&um=1&ned=us&hl=en) - if not he should be redirected to the band's page, not deleted" - I don't see anything in the news results that suggests independent notability via either the general or subject specific (WP:MUSIC) criteria, and I don't see "Paul Stewart (musician)" as a likely search term, so it is unlikely the redirect would be useful - an entry on the Paul Stewart disambiguation page pointing to The Feeling would suffice. Michig (talk) 14:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Like I said it the deprod, he is most likely notable. Being independently notable doesn't mean he has to have produced music outside the band or anything like that - it means he has to have been the subject of multiple RS. If those RS about talking about him within the context of the band, they still count as long as they are talking about him specifically. That appears to be the case here. His generic name makes it harder to find sources, but said sources do appear to exist.

The article isn't "pointless" as it is the correct place to house biographical information about Paul Stewart - such information is not appropriate in the band's article.

However, if the nom felt strongly about it he could have just redirected and I wouldn't have objected. The page has over 20 incoming links and deleting the page would simply break those links for no reason. It would be a waste of time and effort to go and change all those links to point to the band, when a simply redirect can do the job. Additionally, the redirect would serve as a place holder in case he gained (more) notability in the future. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of the incoming links are related to either The Feeling or his wife. Why is biographical information about band members not appropriate in the band's article? If we had a significant amount of relevant information that has nothing to do with the band, then that would be better in a separate article. If all we have to say about him is where he went to school, who he's married to and who his influences are, I don't see any convincing argument for keeping this - the links could be redirected in a couple of minutes, and I'm yet to see any reliable sources that give significant coverage to this person rather than the band he is a member of. If you can come up with reliable sources that discuss Paul Stewart beyond his involvement in The Feeling or even specifically about what he has done as a member of The Feeling then we have a case for an article. Otherwise, I don't see why we should keep this just in case someone writes such coverage about him in the future.--Michig (talk) 15:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously we disagree about whether there is enough coverage for an article or not. However, redirects are extremely cheap. We normally don't delete them without good reason to do so. You could have saved yourself a lot of time by just agreeing a redirect was acceptable rather than forcing an AfD. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the article was at Paul Stewart and there are no other 'Paul Stewart's then I agree a redirect would be in order, as anyone searching for Paul Stewart would have arrived at the appropriate article, but given that the links to the article are already from other articles about the band or their releases, links back to the band in those isn't going to be useful, and nobody is realistically going to search for Paul Stewart (musician) in order to arrive at The Feeling's article, so what purpose would a redirect serve? You could have saved me and yourself a lot of time by just allowing the prod that had already been on the article for the requisite 7 days to reach its logical conclusion and allowing this article with minimal content to be deleted, but if you didn't agree with that then fair enough. I would not object to this being moved to Paul Stewart (drummer) or Paul Stewart (The Feeling) and then redirected to The Feeling if that is acceptable to you. If you would object to the article being redirected because you believe the content merits a separate article then we disagree on this and the discussion needs to continue.--Michig (talk) 17:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, it is best to let the community decide. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. His work with his wife Sinead Quinn is separate from The Feeling, so he now has a profile independent of The Feeling and this justifies his own article. Cjc13 (talk) 15:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Lacks valid sources and says nothing that couldn't be said in The Feeling. Not notable as an independent artist.--Sabrebd (talk) 09:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW (Talk) 19:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. ThaddeusBs arguments better reflect applicable policy. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and redirect to band page, per nom and Sabrebd. Crockspot (talk) 19:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Cybercobra (talk) 07:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, as an unlikely redirect term. Reliable, third-party, sources don't show any stand alone notability outside of the band per WP:MUSICBIO.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 00:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Not a pointless article, but about a drummer who is notable. - Ret.Prof (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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