The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was a split decision I see a consensus to delete the article on Adeogun and a consensus to merge/redirect the article on The White Saviors. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 12:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Olusola Adeogun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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I see no indication of notability for Olusola Adeogun besides that he is the narrator of a podcast The White Saviors which doesn't itself look to be notable. Both articles claimed that Adeogun and the podcast had won a Digital Publishing Award but the DPA page doesn't mention either and links to a completely different piece. Other sources are marginal. For example, this link to a PDF file which simply lists someone of the same name (among hundreds of names), without confirmation of it uniquely belonging to this subject. On Talk:The White Saviors, there is a kerfuffle about source dates which resulted in the removal of most of the article's original text. Probably all of this should be deleted or moved as a minor mention in Canadaland. Hard thoughtful work (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page because it is mentioned in the producer's biography as his only creative output: Hard thoughtful work (talk) 21:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The White Saviors (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism, Nigeria, and Canada. Shellwood (talk) 21:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete this is all I found [1]. Nothing we can use. No other sources. Oaktree b (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC) [reply]

• There are two articles being discussed, but I think you only commented on the first one. I'm just mentioning that in case that was in error. CT55555 (talk) 03:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I was only commenting on the article about Olusola, not the podcast, I might review that proposal later. Oaktree b (talk) 13:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both (As the author of both)

Regarding Olusola Adeogun his only claim to notability is indeed his involvement in the podcast. However, I belive that does satisfy WP:CREATIVE criterion 3 The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. He's the narrator of the entire series. I think that's a major role. And the podcast is the primary subject of multiple independent articles, as I'll demonstrate below as I explain why the podcast should be kept too. Even if that didn't compel you, the most drastic action woudl surely be a redirect to The White Saviors as per WP:ATD. Regarding the PDF link, he has an uncommon name and so unless you think there might be another media studies person in the same city with the same unusual name, it's a valid source for verifiability, once notability is established elsewhere.

The podcast did get an honourable mention at the awards, but it's not easy to spot as they worded it badly, and didn't mention Adeogun, despite that you can see it clearly here: https://digitalpublishingawards.ca/category/digital-publishing-awards/ (search for "WE Charity" in the text).

Regarding The White Saviors keep because it is a very notable podcast. As per the sources in the article, it was was described as one of the best Canadian podcasts of 2021 in The Globe and Mail and by CBC Radio. It is the subject of multiple reviews in media and also an academic source. That's a clear pass at WP:GNG based on the sources in the article. To make it easy for people, I'll give some examples here:

1. The White Saviors by Canadaland. Journal of the Canadian Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, [s. l.], v. 30, n. 4, p. 298, 2021. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=153335571&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 12 jul. 2022.
2. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/article-the-five-best-canadian-podcasts-from-2021-were-binge-worthy-true/
3. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastplaylist/the-best-podcasts-of-2021-1.6273183
4. https://torontosun.com/news/kielburgers-file-defamation-suit-against-canadaland
5. https://www.thesuburban.com/columnists/mike_cohen_cohen_chatter/noted-mcgill-grad-jesse-brown-s-canadaland-series-could-be-trudeau-s-worst-nightmare/article_c63b2f73-3550-5d2f-adfa-113e5e4986ea.html (slight independence issue with this one, as I think it's the magazine of the university that the podcast producer attended, so maybe not flawless, but the others are high standard) CT55555 (talk) 02:38, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The Digital Publishing Awards page is dated January 26, 2021;[2] the podcast was released in August 2021.CorrTimes (talk) 17:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think that's accurate. I think the page has had a number of updated and the date of each follows. However, you could be correct that the award precedes the podcast and maybe that is why Olusola Adeogun is not mentioned, maybe it's an award for Canadaland's general coverage of the WE Charity. I must admit, I think I mixed up Canadaland's general reporting on the WE Charity with the podcast when I put these article together originally, I think errors from that are now fixed. I'm going to assume you are correct that the award is not about the podcast and is about general reporting. Which leaves me back where I was when I commented above: it's an impactful podcast, with the national broadcaster and the most popular newspaper in the country ranking it in their top 5 for 2021 and therefore people who played a major role in creating it are notable as per C3 of WP:CREATIVE. CT55555 (talk) 21:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both for lack of independent notability or move to Canadaland. See both talk page discussions where the creator said that the reason Olusola Adeogun and The White Saviors were notable is because they prompted the resignation of Bill Morneau,[3] even though Morneau resigned a year before the podcast.CorrTimes (talk) 17:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The initial error has been fixed. I recommend people judge The White Saviors as per WP:GNG and Olusola Adeogun as per WP:CREATIVE and judge it simply based on the articles as it stands, corrected mistakes are not reasons to delete. CT55555 (talk) 18:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge or at least redirect both articles to Canadaland#The_White_Saviours. The coverage is simply not in depth enough to merit a separate article, but I think there is salvageable content here. For instance, The Globe and Mail source is reliable and contains more than WP:100WORDS about the podcast and the CBC article is at least reliable and explicitly focuses on the podcast for a paragraph. I don't see any reason for outright deletion of the pages. TipsyElephant (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per norm. Not enough coverage. Jamiebuba (talk) 10:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep for the podcast based on explanation above, delete for Adeogun the individual. Oaktree b (talk) 12:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I don't think anyone has mentioned the Jacobin article titled "Canadaland: The Podcast Holding Power to Account". The article arguably spends a few paragraphs discussing the podcast and Jacobin is listed at WP:RSP as generally reliable. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, as this helps inform my judgment, as Adeogun is not at all mentioned in the Jacobin article, and the White Saviors is discussed only in context of the larger Canadaland topic. Here Under The Oaks (talk) 21:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Olusola Adeogun as simply not notable (as of yet) with only one brief podcast narration gig to his credit. Merge The White Saviors to Canadaland#The_White_Saviors (no "u" in Saviors in any sources I've seen), as it seems that sources discussing the podcast series predominantly level-up to Canadaland. Here Under The Oaks (talk) 21:15, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect both articles to Canadaland per TipsyElephant.-KH-1 (talk) 02:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment @CorrTimes and Jamiebuba: in an effort to come to a clearer WP:CONSENSUS I was wondering if either of you might consider changing your !vote to redirect or merge as an WP:ATD. Also, it looks like you !voted twice Oaktree b, would you be willing to strike out one of the two !votes for greater clarity? TipsyElephant (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, hopefully it's clearer now. Oaktree b (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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