The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The "delete" argument is that, while sources can be found, they are insufficient. The "keep" argument agrees that the sources are few in number and low in reliability, but would have it that they are nevertheless sufficient. This is simply a matter of one opinion against another. The article is a BLP, but I see no unsourced negative information about a living person that would need to be considered.

This has been a poorly-attended debate, but it has been relisted twice and is overdue for closure on the third listing, so it ought to be closed on the basis of the arguments presented; I can find no consensus herein. Please note that in the circumstances, it will be in order to list this at AfD again in early course.—S Marshall T/C 13:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Nikos Tatasopoulos

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I cannot find sufficient RS coverage or other indicia of notability of this singer. Tagged for notability since 2010. Epeefleche (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Quite suspicious that, since he's alleged to have performed at the Athens Olympics, there is no news coverage of him, not even under the spelling "Νικος Τατασοπουλος." -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 02:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --Epeefleche (talk) 05:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Have confirmed notability by going through Greek Google and I cannot say that it was easy because there is very little useful and linkable reference material about him. I have confirmed his musical participation at the Olympic Games (he is mentioned in a documentary about Athens 2004) but need to find a linkable reference. He is a famous/notable bouzouki player in Greece (and so was his father, it runs in the family). Will keep looking for references. There are numerous videos of him on various utube-like websites around the world. He clearly is popular. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 10:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work. Please note that per wp's criteria, wp's notability standards must be met. Having youtube videos and the like will not suffice; nor will the fact that a family member may be notable, as notability is not inherited on wp. What would really help would be reliable source references, reflecting his notability per wp standards. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's requirements are met with this reference. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 16:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per this, the reliability of this source according to our guidelines is questionable. Is there editorial oversight, or does the site accept user content as is? -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 20:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google's translation isn't brilliant. The website is a portal dedicated to cultural events such as Cinema, Theatre, and Music. Much of the content of the article is unique. It has not been cut and paste. It is not "as is" submitted content. This has been written specifically for this website. Have also found quite a chunky bio on his father at another website which could easily support a separate article on his father whose nickname was "Dillinger". Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 20:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even if his father were notable, that would not impact the decision here, as on wp notability is not inherited. As to this website, please explain why it is in your view it is an RS, per our guidelines. The facts that you mentioned -- that it is dedicated to cultural events, is not a cut-and-paste, and that much of its content is unique -- do not make it an RS. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It reports an event that has been reported on other websites. Where other websites have just cut and paste press release type content. This particular cultural portal appears to be quite large and a lot of effort has been put in to it. The article has some unique content that I have not seen on other websites. Obviously, I have not read all the content there is. But I just get the impression that they have at least spoken to the musician. The notability of the musician is not in question. I have already checked that his name is listed on CDs and DVDs with a number of Greek stars. It is possible to cross-reference all the stars that he has collaborated with (but a lot of effort is involved). Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 21:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I agree with Blanchardb that the reliability of this source according to our guidelines is questionable.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ok. Here is another source, see page 17. The author of the article is Voice of America's, Greek language service journalist, Athina Krikeli. She is a top flight journalist who also writes for Greek television channel EPT3. This should meet all the requirements of a Reliable Source. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 01:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice research to find that. Question -- assuming this is an RS (I'm not sure either way at the moment), am I correct that what it says about the subject is limited to the fact that he curated and participated in a program dedicated in part to his famous father, and is a bouzouki soloist? Your Greek is no doubt better than mine, and I want to make sure I am not missing anything as to the level of discussion of him in the source. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article (see page 17) is about Nikos Tasopoulos. In the first paragraph it says that Nikos has the same eyes as his father and rather obviously that he is his natural successor. That Nikos was "built up"/educated by his father to be amongst the best. That he was born and brought up in Maryland (USA). And that his father is watching him proudly (from up above) and (from second para) is his guardian angel. It mentions Nikos' ongoing education and that Nikos' talent comes from hard work. It also compares Nikos' gestures with his father's and that the comparison is mentioned to Nikos (during interview). It describes how Nikos mood and appearance changes when he starts to play. On the last page it says that the previous winter a venue (called Hamam) dedicated their program (for the whole season) to the lyricist Christos Kolokotronis and Giannis Tatasopoulos and that Nikos Tatasopoulos was the bouzouki soloist. The article is dedicated and titled with the name "Nikos Tasopoulos" and just underneath it has his nickname "The Six Shooter" (in the small introductory paragraph it compares the six strings on Nikos' bouzouki with the fire that comes from a six shooter pistol). His father's nickname is not mentioned. I did a quick search on Greek Google for his nickname and this is the only article that mentions his nickname. 70 years ago, nicknames were an essential part of life in Greece, to the point that sometimes, when a huge reputation was involved, they became new surnames. The same nickname could be handed down from father to son (but not in this case, Nikos has his own nickname). Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 11:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha Quadrant ^talk 18:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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