The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Berner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Delete and merge with existing draft per consensus reached on federal judicial nominee articles at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiffany M. Cartwright; fails WP:NPOL Snickers2686 (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Law. Snickers2686 (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel, England, California, and Maryland. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - in addition to the recent set of news coverage on Berner, the 2000 legal case (currently listed under Personal Life) generated a fair bit of news coverage on Berner, then known as Berner-Kadish. This news coverage occurred at the time of the legal decision and in the years prior when the case was beginning. Kadish was also on the short list for a US supreme court position (in 2019), and has been more briefly mentioned in the news as part of her work with Planned Parenthood and SEIU. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per DaffodilOcean and WP:BASIC/WP:GNG; previous coverage includes e.g. Matan Has Two Mommies, and Israel Is Talking (NYT, 2000); Top court in Israel rules ex-Berkeley lesbians are moms (Jewish News of Northern California, 2000); recent coverage includes Biden’s Planned Fourth Circuit Pick Is Steadfast Union Ally (Bloomberg Law), Biden nominates Marylander to 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals, would be first openly LGBTQ member on that court (Baltimore Sun), Biden nominates labor lawyer Nicole Berner to 4th Circuit (Washington Post). Also, this article was created at 18:00, 14 November 2023‎ by Kirmel, and the draft mentioned in the nomination was created by the nominator at 20:47, 15 November 2023‎; content and/or sources from the draft created by the nominator could be incorporated into this article instead of deleting this article. Beccaynr (talk) 02:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  What I'm saying is, based on precedent this article should be deleted, merged and draftified. When each article/draft is created should have no weight. Snickers2686 (talk) 04:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions essay includes, "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do or do not exist," and I think it applies here, because this article seems to have ample support for notability in sources over time that can develop a reasonably balanced biography. Also, WP:ATD-M includes, Note that an outcome of "merge and delete" may potentially cause licensing problems if attribution for the merged content is lost in the process. And the timing of the creations seems to support the first article as a logical merge target. Beccaynr (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Beccaynr (talk) 02:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I think she probably meets our notability threshold, although I believe the article was likely created by a WP:COI editor, and I have noted that on the talk page. Marquardtika (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with you on both counts. Can we add some sort of tag to the page? MaskedSinger (talk) 08:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  A relevant template has been added to the article talk page; for Template:COI, there is guidance about when to use it on an article; from my view, neutrality concerns have been appropriately addressed in this article, including in edits by Marquardtika. Beccaynr (talk) 16:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge into the pre-existing draft, and promote to mainspace. The Israeli court case, in combination with the Biden nomination, is sufficient grounds for notability to keep in mainspace. BD2412 T 16:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The draft was not pre-existing - as noted above, the article was created before the draft. Beccaynr (talk) 17:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  My mistake. In that case, keep, and convert the draft into a mainspace redirect from Nicole G. Berner, in case anything in the draft edit history can be imported into this article. BD2412 T 17:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.