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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This was previously deleted as a Hoax at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 4#Neera Arya. However this article cite additional sources which I checked few of them and they did not check out. Some source do not even mention "Neera Ayra" include the BBC others are not functional links. I will leave it to the community decide rather than go for speedy deletion FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Military, and India. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It would be helpful if @Dsrprj:, who created the article on 13 August 2023, would explain why the access-dates on their sources range from 2016 to 2021. Did they actually consult these sources? Or is this an unacknowledged translation from another Wikipedia? PamD 07:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I'm still suspicious about some of the further sources added with ancient "access-date"s, suggesting that the editors haven't looked at the material, but the book First Lady Spy Of INA: Neera Arya (ISBN 9789354886621) is published by Prabhat Prakashan on whom we have an article. If some of the sources are dubious, or cast suspicion on whether the whole tale is true, then that seems a need for careful editing and addition of further, reliable, sources. PamD 07:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • That biography is listed on Amazon as "biographical fiction" [1]: I am skeptical that it is a reliable source. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    read the discription or checkout this - [2] DSP2092^talk 09:41, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    This 2021 version is what triggered my thought about this being a hoax. However the current 2023 version seem to be perceived as factual.

    @DSP2092 I think it will help everyone if you can fix the archived links and remove the unreliable references indicated in the previous discussion and also remove the irrelevant references like the BBC which doesn’t support the content attributed to FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Strongly Keep: I have recently expanded this article from the Hindi article. This article needs additional reliable sources, but it definitely meets the Wiki guidelines. There are even movies and books based on Neera Arya. DSP2092^talk 08:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DSP2092: did you check the sources you added, or just copy the work of the Hindi editors without acknowledgment? PamD 09:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't checked all the sources, but I have read the article, and it does contain information I have read in a book about her. I am going to copyedit and add some reliable sources soon. DSP2092^talk 09:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

that will help, given that this is a previously deleted article for being a Hoax FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further input is clearly necessary...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

pinging @Dympies, @Georgethedragonslayer, @Jay, @Someone-123-321 and @Editorkamran who participated in the Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 4#Neera Arya FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At the RfD, my opinion was to discuss at AfD, which we are now doing. Thanks for the ping. I don't have an opinion as of now, will go through the sources. Jay 💬 10:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:HOAX. I would like to thank Fuzzymagma for pinging me. Anyone can see my comments on RfD and my analysis of sources there. All of the sources that have been used here came after 2015, which itself proves that we have no actual serious source that is discussing this non-existing subject. Not a single cited source has any expertise in history. Dympies (talk) 17:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Dympies How do you explain the references to an award in her name, and to a memorial to her being built, which appear genuine according to Google translation? PamD 23:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PamD: Kindly post the sources here. There are just too many listed unreliable sources to wade through to find what you are saying. Dympies (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dympies Sources such as those currently refs 4, 5 and 7. PamD 06:25, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of them are newly created articles. Having a non-notable award created after a fictional person is not any evidence of WP:N. Dympies (talk) 12:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Just like what I had said on RfD, there is no source to confirm if this person was real. It is easy to viral fake news on internet but Wikipedia is not their backwater. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 02:26, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Dympies. Yes the subject is nothing more than a hoax. There are no scholarly sources to confirm the existence of this fake subject. In India, state-sponsored efforts are being made in the recent years to falsify history but we must avoid entertaining that.[3] Editorkamran (talk) 03:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The number of sources, found, even if some are considered unreliable, suggests that even if she did not exist she is notable as a fictional or legendary character, the subject of books and apparently a film. If the reader finds [ https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/kannada/movies/news/roopa-iyers-bollywood-debut-is-on-indias-first-woman-spy-before-independence/amp_articleshow/95093222.cms a Times of India article] about her biopic, Wikipedia should have an article about her.PamD 06:41, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  But the current article is not written as fictional and please consider that Tines of India might not be a reliable sources as it known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage, see WP:RSP. I am still waiting for @DSP2092 to do what they promised (adding reliable sources and fix the dead links) FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm going to rewrite the article. I am copyediting in my sandbox but it will take some time. I have my exams running so i can't rewrite whole article in few days. It needs a lots of work to find RS and rewrite whole article, Regards. DSP2092 (👤, 🗨️) 16:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:HOAX. We would know that from hundreds of scholarly sources written about Indian National Army if this subject was not a hoax but it is clear at present stage that it is indeed a social media fake news. CharlesWain (talk) 05:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Its a WP:HOAX. Agletarang (talk) 14:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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