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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 14:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neat and Tidy: Adventures Beyond Belief (TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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No indication of notability. Although plenty of records and database entries of this show exist, none that I could find constitute the in-depth coverage required to establish notability. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United Kingdom. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - In case there is any confusion, the article is now titled simply Neat and Tidy: Adventures Beyond Belief. While Actualcpscm was nominating for deletion, I was in the middle of moving the page title because the disambiguation was unnecessary. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I would counter that the series included several notable actors and writers (hence their Wikis). Besides, there are so many non-notable subjects with articles on Wikipedia, I have to ask where to draw the line? Darian2009 (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Notability is not WP:inherited. If there are articles with non-notable subjects, you might consider proposing those for deletion; the fact that WP:OTHERSTUFF exists is not a particularly sound argument to support notability. The line is drawn by WP:N, WP:GNG, the subject-specific notability guidelines, and relevant community consensus. Actualcpscm (talk) 16:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the rare inclusion of many original Elvis music makes it notable. Darian2009 (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notwithstanding the fact that this claim is currently unsourced, the relevance of this needs to be established through reliable sources, not the original research of individual editors. I won‘t discuss this here further to avoid the appearance of WP:BLUDGEON, but I‘d be happy to continue the discussion on my talk page; feel free to reach out there with any questions or concerns. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG. Also, the arguements that it has notable actors, famous music, and "other non-notable subjects" have articles are all irrelevant as WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. DonaldD23 talk to me 21:16, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Smithies, Sandy (1988-02-12). "Watching brief". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "Neat and Tidy. 1: Adventures Beyond Belief (Channel 4, 6 0) Sandwiched between the two halves of the Chart Show like a nice slice of ham, this wildly camp new comedy is worth taking the earplugs out for: it's not a sound track of original Elvis recordings. Wimpish hero Nick Neat (Skyler Cole) zooms off around the attractive European locations on his Harley Davidson, getting into all sorts of comic strip scrapes while helping runaway Mafia heiress Tina Tidy (Jill Whitlow) find her long-lost mum; the assorted villains in pursuit include Graham Stark and Elke Sommer."

  2. "Elvis on the upbeat". Huddersfield Daily Examiner. 1988-02-12. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "All this and a music soundtrack of original Elvis Presley recordings set the madcap pace of Neat and Tidy (Channel 4, 6pm). It's a five part comedy adventure that is big on bizarre names and locations. For Nick sets off for Italy, with police and villains in hot pursuit, where he meets the daughter of an Italian mobster who is also on the run from heavies Bruno and Fiddler. The pair team up and change their names to something as catchy as everybody else's. They become Nick Neat and Tena. Tidy and charge around the world looking for Tena's mum. With all that energy being expended it has to be worth a look!"

  3. "'Neat & Tidy' On The Run: Movie On WMDT Saturday". The Daily Times. 1987-01-03. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: ""Neat & Tidy," a two-hour TV movie special which combines action, adventure, comedy, bizarre characters and happenings with a musical backdrop of classic Elvis Presley songs, airs on WMDT-TV Channel 47 on Saturday at 11:30 p.m. The movie stars Elke Sommer as the exotic, seductive and villainous Headmistress Bruno, and introduces English actor Skyler Cole as the daring Nick Neat and Jill Whitlow ... as his sexy young sidekick, Tena Tidy. ... Among the several original Elvis Presley recordings featured are "Guitar Man" (the movie's theme), "Night Rider," "Rock A Hula," "Crying In The Chapel," "Jailhouse Rock," "All Shook Up," "It's Now Or Never," "Hound Dog" and "Blue Suede Shoes." "Neat & Tidy" was filmed entirely on location in Southern Spain in and around "Mini-Hollywood," ..."

  4. Taylor, Brian (1988-02-12). "Neat and Tidy—with Presley". Hull Daily Mail. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "If you like humour which is bizarre in situations which are highly improbable, Neat and Tidy (C4, 6 pm) is your kind of programme. There's this wimp-like motorcycle mechanic called Nick Neat and a Mafia Goddaughter who rejoices in the name, Tena Tidy. He rescues her and whisks her off on his Harley Davidson with the girl's evil tutor and two hitmen called Scratcher and Smallpiece in pursuit. ... This is made up of a whimsical collection of Elvis Presley classics."

  5. "Calling all Elvis fans". Nottingham Evening Post. 1988-02-12. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "Neat and Tidy (Four, 6.00) is billed as "an adventure, a comedy, a visual explosion of action and wild humour" and draws on original Elvis Presley recordings for its backtrack." The bizarre series centres around Nick Pratt (Skyler Cole) ..."

  6. Macfarlane, Ian (1988-02-12). "Pick of the day: Neat and Tidy". Cambridge Evening News. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "Look out for an explosion of action, adventure and wild humour, to the sound of original Elvis Presley recordings, in this new series. Nick Pratt, a motor cycle fanatic and dedicated Elvis fan, is on the run for a murder he did not commit. ... Tena is quickly captured, but Nick unwittingly rescues her and finds himself in even deeper water. She introduces herself as Tena Tidy. Nick changes his name to Neat, and the dynamic duo of Neat and Tidy is born. With Skyler Cole as Nick, Jill Whitlow as Tena, and Thick Wilson as Ten Percent."

  7. Rubnikowicz, Renata (1988-02-06). "Highlights of TV and radio". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2023-07-17. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "Neat And Tidy (6.0, C4). Zany, wacky, a cult comedy hit? Well, definitely a jolly first episode, with Mafia connections and Euro locations. Nick Neat hovers over to France to slip the law, and, on a newly-acquired Harley-Davidson rescues distressed damsel, Tena Tidy, who's on the run from school in search of "beer and biology". Troupes of rubber-clad nuns, a Presley soundtrack, and Graham Stark as a dim heavy pop up, too."

  8. Vincent Terrace books:
     1. Terrace, Vincent (1997). Experimental Television, Test Films, Pilots, and Trial Series, 1925 Through 1995: Seven Decades of Small Screen Almosts. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. p. 413. ISBN 0-7864-0178-8. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Internet Archive.

        The book notes: "Neat and Tidy—Adventures Beyond Belief. Pilot (Satirical Adventure), 2 hrs., Syndicated, 12/86. Valentena Tidelio, the daughter of a mobster, runs away from her father's jailer, music school conservatory Headmistress Bruno Van Kleef, seeking to find her mother, who was presumed killed in a car accident 15 years ago. Nick Pratt, a mechanic and Elvis Presley freak, who fears he killed his partner during a heated argument, flees, thinking the police are seeking him. By chance Valentena, who pretends to be Tena Tidy and Nick, who uses the alias Nick Neat, meet and team to help each other out. The proposed series was to relate Tena and Nick's outrageous worldwide adventures as they seek Tena's mother and attempt to escape from their relentless pursuer-Headmistress Van Kleef."

     2. Terrace, Vincent (1991). Fifty Years of Television: A Guide to Series and Pilots, 1937–1988. New York: Cornwall Books. p. 504. ISBN 0-8453-4811-6. Retrieved 2023-07-17 – via Internet Archive.

        The book notes: "Seeking to find her mother, who is presumed killed in a car crash, Valentena Tidelio, a mobster's daughter, runs away from her father's jailer, music school headmistress Bruno Van Kleef. Fearing that he killed his partner, auto mechanic Nick Pratt, flees, thinking the police are seeking him. By chance Valentena, who pretends to be Tena Tidy, and Nick, who assumes the name Nick Neat, meet and team to help each other out. The proposed series was to relate their adventures as they seek Tena's mother (Loretta) and attempt to escape from their relentless pursuer—Headmistress Bruno."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Neat and Tidy: Adventures Beyond Belief to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep in light of sources found, added, and analysed by Cunard which clearly satisfy WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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