The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete with no prejudice against recreation if better sourcing can be found. JoshuaZ 00:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Midnight Insanity

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NN, troupe that performs Rocky Horror live. Ridernyc 05:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Ridernyc 05:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notability asserted by guest appearances on mainstream TV shows, and news article in refs. Rob T Firefly 16:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - simple guest shots on TV series are not sufficient to get an individual past WP:BIO and ought not to be enough for a performance troupe. The single newspaper story linked in the article does not IMHO establish the notability of the group. I've searched previously to try to source this article and was never able to find anything. Worth at best a name-check in the article about the film's cult following. Otto4711 18:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep meets general notability, needs citations. --Buridan 05:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would be interested in seeing the multiple independent reliable sources in which this troupe has received significant coverage. That is what it means to "meet general notability." Otto4711 13:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i suspect you would be interested in finding anything... google might help. give it a shot. --Buridan 05:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I already said, which you of all people given how closely you scrutinize my activities should have noticed, I have searched--on more than one occasion in fact--for sourcing for this article. So do you have any reliable sources to back up your claim that this group is in any way notable? Because you're the one asserting that it meets the guideline. Otto4711 21:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Midnight_Insanity&oldid=77760185 seems notable. --Buridan 23:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am at a loss as to how you can think that linking to an old version of the page that is "sourced" by IMDB and the group's website helps in your quest to demonstrate that there are independent reliable sources. Otto4711 00:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

shows it is notable, if you have this, then you can go through the newspaper archives and dig it out the secondary and tertiary sources. the question here is 'notability', this list and its capacity to be cited, provides adequate and citable notability. if on the other hand, you over time remove all basic facts about the group, then sure, it can't be notable, but if you deal with actually available knowledge about the group as demonstrated on the imdb import that was deleted because no one went through and re-cited it. --Buridan 15:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reset indent IMDB basically lists everything, it's almost like listing the phonebook as a source.Ridernyc 10:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Delete User:Otto4711 is correct - the article doesn't have third party non trivial sources, and I can't find any via google either. On the other hand they are undoubtedly famous to a point. I therefore think that they just fail WP:N but would change my mind if sources were added before the end of this AfD. A1octopus 16:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, because although I am getting sick of Rocky Horror, this troupe is reasonably notable, and the article now has 3 reliable sources, enough for a stub. Bearian 18:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The sources verify two specific details in the article but they are not substantially about the troupe. They are the Hollywood Bowl's website and the Queen Mary's website announcing the troupe's appearance. They are ads, which do not establish notability under WP:N. Otto4711 19:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.