The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The consensus would indicate that as these are two separate characters, one cannot be merged into the other. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Fictional character which fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Most of the article is pure WP:OR. I fail to see any significant coverage proffered either in the article on in the previous nomination. Claritas § 19:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Megatron (Transformers), why on earth we have four articles about one character is beyond me. Also a horrible non-free image violation, and merging would enable Megatron (disambiguation) to actually be about other uses than trivial fictional characters. Black Kite (t) (c) 19:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer to delete and redirect to Megatron (Transformers)#Beast Wars on second thoughts. There's no verifiable content to merge - almost all OR. Claritas § 22:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This is a major TV character who started in 2 shows. If you want to delete Transformers characters, why not delete the less notable ones instead of the stars? Additionally this was nomnated before and was an overwhelming KEEP decision. What was changed? Mathewignash (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check out WP:CCC, as to why we're having another discussion. Claritas § 22:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • But why have four poor articles on the same character when you could have one really good one? All four articles could be trimmed of all the trivia and plot summary, sourced properly, and with a bit of work you might even make a GA of it. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • • How can you call G1 Megatron and Beast Wars Megatron the "same character"? They are two guys. They even met once. They are two characters. At least the other Megatrons can be said to be alternate reality version of the G1 Megatron, but the Megatron of Beast Wars is a different guy who changed his name to be like the Decepticon he admired. It's not the same guy. Mathewignash (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• If this character is not notable, maybe the main Megatron article should mention him as a separate character and how he relates to the original Megatron. NotARealWord (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• The character is notable. One problem with finding online articles is that between toy site articles you would dismiss as done by fans and articles on the G1 and movie Megatrons, this guy would be hard to find. You need to search through several dozen, if not hundreds of pages on those. However, sharing a name with a more notable character does not disprove notability. For instance I just found an interview with David Kaye, who says the character of Megatron (this one) was the animated character he's most like to be remembered for. Mathewignash (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Its been shown time and time again the so called "sources" on this and many other Transformers articles are unreliable :See "Reliable sources for Transformers" Dwanyewest (talk) 01:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - That's not really a valid arguement. How does the writing of ANOTHER article effect THIS ONE. Have you personally read the sources of this article? They are several professional notable references for this character. You should read them before voting. Mathewignash (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - If even this guy doesn't desere his own article, then maybe someone should put the proposed deletion template or start AfDs on all but about 4-7 Transformers characters. NotARealWord (talk) 13:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, this could take a while - there are over 1,000 articles in Category:Transformers characters alone... Black Kite (t) (c) 16:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Deleting them en mass is hardly fair, as every article deserves a real consideration, and a chance for improvement. Some people act like there is a rush to delete them. I hope this isn't so. Mathewignash (talk) 00:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • It would be a lot easier if all the articles like Breacher (Transformers) were just merged into a list; there's not enough there to maintain an article. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:15, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• If simply deleting en masse is unfair, we can still put them up for AfD and see what everybody (who participates) thinks. NotARealWord (talk) 12:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment- I don't think merging with the main Megatron article could work, considering these are completely separate characters. NotARealWord (talk) 16:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep A notable character from several notable shows. The article is long with plenty of valid information some people will enjoy reading. Don't be a hater. Dream Focus 00:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or redirect to Megatron (Transformers)#Beast Wars. The only real world information lacks sources, making this article fail at WP:Notability. Moreover, the article may be long, but it appears to be due to its incredible long in-universe sections.Tintor2 (talk) 00:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment- No. Merging with the main Megatron article would be inappropriate considering they are entirely separate characters. NotARealWord (talk) 15:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Then why is he shown in the same article? Else, he could be merged to a list of character.Tintor2 (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• That section mentions them to be separate characters. NotARealWord (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This is actually an acceptable stand alone article, i've been advising merging consistently for subjects of this type ,but this is one of the exceptions. The sources are sufficient to justify the article. The excessive plot should however be condensed, to perhaps half the length. DGG ( talk ) 05:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge/redirect. Some (and I mean some) of this content may be worth covering. As it is, this is all plot, bad sources and non-free images, but there may be something of merit. The character almost certainly deserves an article, but that doesn't mean we need loads of articles to hold all the plot information in the world. We only need one- if there's too much plot for one article, that merely tells me that you're including too much detail. J Milburn (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, what? This is a separate character from the other Megatron? Just delete it then. No decent sources cited, no evidence of real-world notability. J Milburn (talk) 17:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • This character is the villian of 2 TV series and numbous comic books. He is a younger Transformer who models himself after the Megatron of old. He even took his name to honor the original Megatron. Mathewignash (talk) 02:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Another source - Transformers Animated: The Allspark Almanac by Jim Sorenson & Bill Forester page 83 is a whole page devoted to this character. Mathewignash (talk) 02:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – I was leaning towards merge, but considering they are two seperate characters I think it would be appropriate for this character to have its own article. Jenks24 (talk) 14:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This Megatron conquered Cybertron something the Generation One Megatron never did. Brian Boru is awesome (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.