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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre of Oromo soldiers in Dessie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Pretty simple reasoning, the article doesn't fit Wikipedia's notability guidelines because it has no reliable source covering the alleged massacre. "If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." I can't find any reliable sourcing.

Regarding the recent edits to change the wording of the article as only claims still violates WP:ORIGINAL, i.e. you're writing is based on a forum post when there is no reliable source that mentions it (see WP:UGC). Ue3lman (talk) 04:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - No reliable source, unverifiable and clearly non-neutral point of view. No corroboration or evidence has emerged. Context includes lots of misinformation by parties to the conflict. There have also been (unverified) reports of false flag attacks by Ethiopian News Agency. Nemozen (talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Yeah, I don't see how this passes WP:EVENT or even GNG. Reliable news sources are just not reporting a massacre in Dessie - one may have occurred, but unless reliable sources say so we should not have an article saying so. We should not base articles on social media reports from anonymous sources. FOARP (talk) 14:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and rewrite properly, in line with earlier versions. Somebody has now introduced articles on disinformation, alleged by the Ethiopian government (which is obvious, they try to cover up). The pakistan news site seems well informed, we have to tolerate that they misspell all names, when transliterating from Urdu. "Kitow" = "Getachew", "mekli" = "Mekelle" etc. Rastakwere (talk) 10:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Pakistan news source does not describe a massacre occurring in Dessie. It also disputable to what degree a news source established last year and with possibly only one staff member with no obvious editing policy is a pass for WP:NEWSORG. Similarly the article about the Ethiopian government also does not describe a massacre in Dessie. FOARP (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The irshadgul.com post was published 2 days before the alleged event, so it doesn't make sense as a source for the allegation. It's quite a stretch to assume that "Kitago" is a transliteration of Getachew. The name Kitago appears to be a common Japanese name which doesn't appear anywhere else on the web in connection with Ethiopia or the war. It also contains absurd geographical errors about the capital of Tigray being near the border with Sudan. Clearly not a reliable source for anything let alone events that occured after it was publised. nemozentalk

In principle, if the irshadgul.com article is a translation from an Ethiopian source, then an innocent date error might have occurred due to converting the date from the Ethiopian calendar into the Gregorian calendar. Regarding the transcription, if this went through written Urdu, keep in mind that Persian-Arabic script usually doesn't show vowels, and between voiced 'G' versus unvoiced 'K' is something that can depend on accent, and from 'ch' to 'g' is not impossible either. The geographical "error" could just be sloppy wording - e.g. the intention is to say that the Tigray Region borders Sudan. However, we can't really use a source where this much guessing is needed, with so little sign of editorial checking of content and presentation. After all, what's the point of leaving in random pieces of text such as the half-sentence feast for treatment.? Boud (talk) 03:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The single source is very sloppy in presentation, and other articles on the same website are also very sloppy. No reliable sources. Boud (talk) 03:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - There are no reliable sources presented for most of the prose in the article. As others have said, WP:EVENT applies as well. --WMSR (talk) 04:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 14:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:BASIC. We're WP:NOTNEWS, if it happened there should be reliable sources. Mztourist (talk) 03:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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