The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. NawlinWiki 03:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Originally proded but Tyrenius (talk · contribs) correctly pointed out that the main rationale I gave (vanity) was not sufficient for deletion and removed the prod. As for Martin Sjardijn, the article was created by Geirfalki (talk · contribs) whose sole contributions concern Martin Sjardijn and his projects. Google finds 84 unique non-wikipedia hits, not a lot for someone who claims to be active as an artist since '85. I did not find third-party coverage. The article basically establishes notability by showing a letter of support that Christo sent him in 85 but I think all will agree at reading it that it is pretty flimsy evidence of notability. Pascal.Tesson 02:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This has been listed on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Visual arts

• Comment

Martin Sjardijn is not a commercial bias but artist since 1973, researching weightlessness since 1985.

See his dutch cv's and works if necessary use babel for translation):

1. Visit Martin Sjardijn at Rhizome the new museum of contemporary art (Rhizome is an online platform for the global new media art community. Learn more.

2. one of his online galleries

3. His cv (dutch) biography(english)

4. Interview about the Groninger Museum Project with Martin Sjardijn by Philip Peters(dutch) use babel to translate

Please do research otherwise wikipedia donot can be taken seriously. <any [people doubt already about the quality and value of wikipedia. I wish you do good research. Call art-historian Hans Locher The Hague or e-mail hlocher@xs4all.nl (former director of the Municipality Museum of The Hague) to know facts.

• Comment Just for the record, the prod was removed by 62.216.11.44 (talk · contribs) with the comment, "2 dutch art historians are working on the article some patience please". I have just done some tidying on the article. Tyrenius 02:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As this is a BLP suitable sensitivity should be used in commenting. Advice to the author (a new user) in what the article needs to fulfil the required standard would also be welcome. Tyrenius 05:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, let me be a bit more careful: I am not judging the quality of this man's work but rather the extent to which he is know outside of a very restricted circle. Because of a lack of reliable third-party sources, content is very likely to remain unverifiable. I would also point out that there is a strong suspicion that both the Geirfalki (talk · contribs) and 62.216.11.44 (talk · contribs) are in some way related to the subject, which breaches the sound advice of WP:VAIN. Pascal.Tesson 16:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me clarify. My caution wasn't aimed at you, but for the benefit of any subsequent contributors, nor am I contesting your suspicion, but that is not relevant to notability. Furthermore there has been third party editing also (by myself) for an objective view. Tyrenius 21:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - mention as an artist in official websites of three different museums seems to give verifiability to notability. Akradecki 16:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Akradecki. Google hits here include Leiden University, Irish Museum of Modern Art, University of Amsterdam, Haags Montessori Lyceum and the Municipal Museum of The Hague, and Groninger Museum. It indicates sufficient standing that readers may wish to use wiki for more information. Tyrenius 21:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment As the former director of the Municipal Museum of The Hague (Gemeentemuseum Den Haag) I herewith confirm the facts mentioned in Wikipedia about Martin Sjardijn. Indeed, already in 1985 he started his important Weightless Sculpture Project. The animation at the Digistar Planetarium Computer in the Omniversum in The Hague (neighbouring the Gemeentemuseum) was at the time an exciting experience. He is innovative and especially a pioneer in using as a visual artist the virtual reality of the internet. dr. J.L. (Hans) Locher — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.216.11.44 (talk • contribs) For information e-mail jllocher@xs4all.nl

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