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The result was delete. Fritzpoll (talk) 13:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Musatov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

To what degree is a screenwriter notable? This one has written an article about himself, with no sources that would meet WP:RS. He's the credited cowriter of one notable film, but I couldn't find any independent writing about him, and his Wikipedia account appears mainly devoted to self-promotion. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I know this isn't particularly helpful, but the fact that the film has an entry and appears to involve a number of notable people pushes me slightly towards a keep. On the other hand, one would have imagined that there would be some independent reference - I suppose there is a slight possibility that he isn't the same Martin Musatov. Deb (talk) 11:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question- But without any reliable sources, what verifiable information could go into an article about him? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've found good references confirming the connection of Martin Musatov with this film, and decent evidence connecting the subject to our persistent indef blocked user User:Martin.musatov. I was honestly shocked, I assumed it was just a troll lying for attention. It's possible a clueless Variety author picked it up from IMDB, but I believe it. In any case what we've got here is a marginally notable screenwriter who happens to have delusions of grandeur and a very poorly thought out idea to use Wikipedia to win a million dollars. Dcoetzee 11:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In any case I'm going to contact Variety about this. Dcoetzee 11:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The film certainly exists: one can borrow it from Netflix. I don't see any particular reason to doubt that Variety gave the correct list of screenwriters. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I would apply the same rules to screenwriters as I do to actors (in other words they're a WP:CREATIVE professional). They should have written at least 2 notable produced scripts, won an award for their work or have received significant coverage in reliable sources as a whole. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  13:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. There used to be more content to this article, though it was still a stub. I removed everything that could not be reliably sourced, per WP:BLP. I think the crankery and sockpuppetry associated with User:Martin.musatov should lead us to be especially careful with sourcing on this one. It is clear that there exists a screenwriter named Martin or Marty Musatov, because it says so in the Variety article, but I don't think we should accept any other information from IMDB on this one, because we have no way of knowing who edited IMDB or how reliable their sources are. I am not entirely convinced that the P=NP crank and the screenwriter are even the same person, though it seems likely that the P=NP Musatov and the Wikipedia sockpuppeteer Musatov are the same person. So, as for this AfD, I think the only thing we have to go on is screenwriter for a single movie that while real has no special claims of notability (the main article about the movie states that it went direct-to-DVD in the US). I don't think that's enough to keep the article. Note: if this ends up being deleted, so should the disambiguation page at Musatov (and perhaps the dab should be deleted regardless as it has only two entries). —David Eppstein (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as not notable, per nominator. I had a poke around google myself and the bulk of the hits seem to be user generated material and there just doesn't seem to be enough RS and V compliant sources for an article. I don't think being a co-writer of a film that went "straight to DVD" is sufficient for a claim of notability. Sarah 03:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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