The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Carman

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There may be 1 article (paper) that asserts that a band which Carman was in had a high selling single; if so, the band may be notable, but Carman is not. There are currently no valid citations in the article--all of the previous citations failed to mention Carman's name. Even if the information here were verified, I don't believe Carman himself meets WP:GNG or WP:MUSIC (it is slightly possible his band Heartland meets WP:MUSIC--note that this is not the same Heartland as Heartland). Qwyrxian (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I spent some quality time trying to make this article be worthy of WP:MUSIC but after trimming a good deal of the peacock prose, and fact-tagging the puffery, I realized that what was left was too weak to stand. I kept expecting to find a Billboard article about Carman, or his name listed at NARAS, CMA, GMA, BMI or even the Law Enforcement Officer's Hall of Fame, but I have been coming up empty. It appears he is a yeoman, a worker, a spear carrier; attendant at some notable moments but not notable himself. Binksternet (talk) 04:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The primary author of the article posted the following on the article's talk page (s/he seems to be new to Wikipedia, so I'm cross-posting it here): "Please allow this article to remain deleted. we are gathering the necessary data for verificayion. We were not really aware of the criteria for citations. So, we are seeking the assistance of someone more familiar with wikipedia guidelines. (Marknalma (talk) 05:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC))." (diff for confirmation: ]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMark_Carman&action=historysubmit&diff=379719274&oldid=379713112]) I've offered some advice on the same page for the author as s/he goes forward. Also, could the closing admin, assuming this is deleted, move the page to a sub-page in [[User:Marknalma]'s namespace? That way s/he could keep working on the article and try to bring it up to snuff rather than having to start afresh. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.