The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete. I've taken the normal editorial action of redirecting the page to the article on the murder. Stifle (talk) 13:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manu Sharma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

A case of someone notable only for one event- namely, a murder. Said murder is already covered at Murder of Jessica Lall. The subject is the son of a politician, but being related to someone notable does not make you notable. J Milburn (talk) 14:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Non-notable person. Schuym1 (talk) 16:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Murder of Jessica Lall - the murder was certainly notable but per WP:BIO1E he doesn't need a separate article. JohnCD (talk) 21:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect -- to Murder of Jessica Lall. - Longhair\^talk 22:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- As the criminal son of an ex-minister in the Central cabinet, Manu Sharma is notable on his own. Indeed, the only reason the murder of Jessica Lall is notable is because it was committed by Manu Sharma. It is true the Manu Sharma and Murder of Jessica Lall articles overlap on a number of aspects, but the Jessica Lall article presents aspects of the murder, and the social ramifications of it. The Manu Sharma article is more about his political and economic clout, covering, for example, the actions taken by his politician-father Venod Sharma to pay off witnesses, leading to his political downfall.
  In addition to the Jessica murder, Manu is also associated with Vikas Yadav, who has been sentenced in the Nitish Katara murder.
  The Manu Sharma case was a landmark in modern Indian history since it pioneered a shift where the growing middle class voice became effective against the entrenched corruption of the political class. Coming from the very highest echelons of India, Manu is personally more notable than, say, James Earl Ray, known primarily for the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. Similarly there are Wikipedia articles for John Hinckley, Herschel Grynszpan, etc. in addition to articles on their particular crimes. The importance of Manu Sharma for posterity is not only because he killed Jessica Lall, but because he is the criminal scion of a powerful family, and his conviction underscored an end of impunity in India. mukerjee (talk) 03:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You seemed to have missed the point here. I am not challenging the notability of the murder, but the subject would not be considered notable if he had not committed the murder, meaning that this is a standard case of someone notable for only a single event. Sure, his position may have made the murder more notable, but that does not mean that the murder makes him notable in his own right- note that people are never considered notable for their family connections. As you also mentioned (bribes and such) this is also a potentially serious article in general biographies of living people terms. We have unsourced negative statements all over the article- a quick few examples include "Venod Sharma was denied a congress ticket for the Parliamentary elections," and "many witnesses testified to the police about Manu Sharma being the murderer." This may be common knowledge to those familiar with Indian politics, but that doesn't mean you can just leave such damning statements lying around with poor or no sourcing. Other arguments you use in favour of this article being kept is that other crap exists, which is commonly regarded as invalid (we should judge articles on their own merits) and that this was a landmark case- again, I am not challenging the notability of the murder/case, only of the subject of this article. J Milburn (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per mukerjee - Shyamsunder23:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 14:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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