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The result was delete. Sandstein 22:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Danielle Berrin[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage about her works as a journalist. The page was previously listed for speedy deletion for not having a credible claim of significance, and it seems it was deleted before being undeleted. The author of the page said that she was "relatively notable since her article is being discussed in all the main Israeli newspapers," but I think that the claim was because it was about her accusations of assault by Ari Shavit, and that can be expanded upon in Shavit's article. reppoptalk 22:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salvio giuliano 22:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dani Calautti[edit]

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Can't find any substantial coverage in WP:RS independent of the subject. She has played in at least two different football codes but I can't find anything other than passing mentions, Wikipedia mirrors or database sites, even when searching Australian sources. I have also searched under 'Danielle Calautti' and found nothing better than the non-independent sources already cited. Best sources I can find are VAFA, a trivial mention, Ozfootball, a squad list mention, and Comment News, which mentions her twice and calls her a standout player. We would need at least a couple of articles to go into significant depth about her as an individual to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. Given that this does not appear to be the case from the above, AfD seems reasonable. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Three relistings and opinions are divided between Keep and Draftify. As a closer, I can't act on my own point of view so my only option is to close this as No consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 00:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ma Yexin[edit]

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Fails WP:NTENNIS and WP:GNG. ITF W40 titles are not of a high enough level to meet WP:NTENNIS#4. They only have $40,000 in total prize money [1] while NTENNIS requires at least $50,000. A GNG search brought up nothing close to significant coverage either. Iffy★Chat -- 13:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:GNG given number of sources. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Stopasianhate, number of RS has zero bearing on GNG (outside of the requirement for "multiple"). Which sources provide SIGCOV of the subject? JoelleJay (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nominator withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 European Wrestling Championships[edit]

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This page is for a future event and thus doesn't seem encyclopedic to me. Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 21:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. I have been asked to keep this discussion open but it was initiated nearly a month ago and I'm closing it as Keep as that is the clear consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 00:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vivekananda College, Thakurpukur[edit]

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Same issues still exist as first AfD. Currently zero in-depth sources from independent, reliable, secondary sources, and searches did not turn up enough to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 11:05, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The Times of India is an independent reliable secondary source. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin: I know this can be closed at any moment but I please request a day for me to review the newest comments above. Thanks MaxnaCarta (talk) 11:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wow, I don't think I can recall seeing a more well-attended AfD for such a short substub article. I'm not sure what attracted all the attention here, but I guess it's a good thing?

The discussion ultimately boils down to an argument about whether or not there is sufficient significant coverage in reliable sources to establish the notability of this individual per WP:GNG and WP:NSPORTS. The most substantive source that was presented during this discussion is a 6-sentence article in the evening edition of a local newspaper that mentions Green as a possible future candidate to play baseball for the Orioles, along with a very brief synopsis of his history. Calling this "significant coverage" strains credulity to its breaking point, and this sentiment was quite convincingly argued by a number of participants in the discussion.

There were a number of editors calling for the article to be kept "per IAR". I mean, that's great and all, but in order to successfully invoke IAR, you really need to demonstrate that following the normal rules/policies/guidelines in this particular case would harm the encyclopedia, or prevent it from being improved. There is no evidence that that's the case, or that our normal policies shouldn't be applied in this case. Most keep voters that mentioned IAR basically said (and I'm obviously paraphrasing), "well, I know there isn't any significant coverage, but c'mon, he was one of the first NFL players, and I think that's cool, so we should just have an article on him anyway, so let's IAR." I don't think that's truly in the spirit of IAR. IAR doesn't mean "ignore the rules when you personally disagree with them, or when your personal preference differs from what the rules would have you do." If that were the case, Wikipedia would be a rather chaotic place.

Finally, I'd like to remind everyone that just because this article has been deleted, it doesn't mean that Wikipedia can't contain information about Larry Green. It just means that Larry Green has not been deemed sufficiently notable to have a standalone article devoted to him. But I'm sure it would not be difficult to find an appropriate place in a different article where these 5 sentences could live in some form. Also, to be clear, the result of this AfD does not preclude anyone from immediately recreating this article as a redirect to an appropriate target, if desired. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 08:22, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Green[edit]

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non-notable NFL player. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the part where you put an actual ounce of effort into demonstrating that the article warrants keeping or are you just here to cast aspersions? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:33, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per IAR, as an original NFL member with four games, and nothing else at all, I just don't see why anyone should take note. I don't see the potential for something at least somewhat decent to be developed out of this. I thinks it will always be a microstub if kept Randy Peck (talk) 08:34, 1 February 2023 (UTC) — Randy Peck (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

@Horse Eye's Back: I've written articles on sports – I've written articles on politicians – I've written articles on businessmen – I've written articles on judges – I am in no way a "single-purpose account." BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In 1919, the Canton Bulldogs played in the Ohio League. Is everyone who played in the Ohio League a pioneer of football? In 1921, the Bulldogs played in the AFPL; is everyone who played in the AFPL a pioneer? In 1922, they renamed it the NFL. Is everyone who played in 1922 a pioneer? Do you have an example of a reliable source referring to players who played in the 1920 AFPA as "pioneers" by virtue of being one of the first to play in the AFPA? I've never seen it. Levivich (talk) 17:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've had enough of this. I'm done arguing with you here and will be moving on to more important things. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I support your decision. If you or anyone else would like to learn more about football pioneers, I recommend List of black quarterbacks or Homosexuality in American football. Levivich (talk) 17:32, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incorrect, his tenure in the early NFL is noted at NFL.com and PFR, both used as sources on Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Those aren't SIGCOV, the NFL link is broken and PFR though used is an obvious non-RS. Levivich (talk) 15:53, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PFR is most certainly reliable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't actually appear to be settled, Sports Reference LLC and its subsidiaries are not a recognized WP:RS and even if they were that sort of coverage doesn't contribute to notability. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it doesn't count towards notability, but suggesting its unreliable is nonsense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:51, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why? We don't appear to have an established consensus on its reliability. If we do you can link a diff. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You may start a discussion at WT:NFL, but we've accepted it as reliable for years and its been used on about 30,000 pages. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why would a reliability discussion occur at WT:NFL not WP:RSN? Are you forum shopping? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You could do it there too if you want. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But why would you do it at WT:NFL? That makes no sense unless you want to bias the outcome. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That makes no sense that it would bias the outcome – considering that they know best about that area. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How can they know notability better than the notability noticeboard? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you even know what we're talking about here? Its reliability, not notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies... We are arguing about notability on one page and reliability on the other so the wires sometimes cross... How can they know reliability better than the reliability noticeboard? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's him! And that's sigcov, too. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's him? Prove it. Beyond that, what are we talking, a casual mention of a player who tried out for the minors (and according to baseball-reference, never actually played a minor league game)? If you genuinely think that is GNG-worthy significant coverage, then frankly, your calibration of what constitutes sigcov or not can't be trusted. Ravenswing 17:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source: 185 lb, played at Georgetown 16-17 before serving in the war - Pro football archives: 180 lb, played at georgetown (football) in 1916 before serving in the war. Both named Larry Green(e). BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the second source I list (below) states he played pro football and baseball. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see more SIGCOV at NewspaperArchive: here and here, plus lesser coverage here, here, here, here, here, [9] [10] [11] [12]. I'd argue its a GNG pass as well, or at least of NBIO (If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability). BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For those who have voted delete/redirect, what do you think of the new coverage? @Levivich, 127(point)0(point)0(point)1, Alvaldi, ValarianB, Reywas92, Silver seren, ActivelyDisinterested, Red-tailed hawk, Cullen328, and BilledMammal: BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1) nobody calls him a pioneer, eh? 2) Maybe I missed it, but I actually didn't see any mention of the 4 games he played for the Bulldogs? I don't think he is a pioneer for having played for them... 3) A high school coach? Seriously? 4) These are local news transfer reports talking about which high school he is going to coach. This is not biography material, and this guy -- a high school coach who played in college and then a few pro games -- is not the sort of person we need to be writing an article about. I'll never understand why you put time into people like Larry Green(e) when there are like 1,000 more important figures in football that we could be writing about. Levivich (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just looking at the two you labelled WP:SIGCOV don't look anything of the sort to me. It's local newspaper coverage of high school faculty hirings, which are generally not considered notable. It's also interesting to me that neither of them mention playing in the NFL. It describes him as a former high school and college player, so that actually reinforces my belief that his NFL career wasn't considered notable even in his own day. I did not review the ones you described as lesser coverage considering the two pieces you thought significant came far below that bar in my eyes, but I do applaud you for looking for sources. The problem is that you're kind of working through the process backwards, like someone trying to find the evidence that fits their hypothesis instead of making your hypothesis based on the evidence. Look at the coverage you have and ask yourself if you'd create an article on the subject based on that. I don't think a reasonable editor would, because the standout assertion of notability and significant coverage in them appears to be that he was in discussion to be appointed a high school football coach for three quarters of a season or possibly longer if the board finds more money. --(loopback) ping/whereis 18:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The two labelled SIGCOV could be considered useful, but the only claim to fame they make is that he was a coach not an NFL player. If anything they prove he wasn't notable as an NFL player, even at the time. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What they cover him for is irrelevant – what really matters is if they cover him "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" – they clearly do in this case. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It actually isn't, your lack of understanding when it comes to WP:N is massive. "it takes more than just routine news reports about a single event or topic to constitute significant coverage. For example, routine news coverage such as press releases, public announcements, sports coverage, and tabloid journalism is not significant coverage. Even a large number of news reports that provide no critical analysis of the event is not considered significant coverage." Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're reading the notability section for events... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The pulled text clearly covers topics which aren't events as well... Is this some sort of reading comprehension issue? The pulled text says "event or topic" Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Routine hirings and firings reported by the local news do not establish notability of the subject. ValarianB (talk) 14:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If they cover the topic "directly and in detail, so that no original research is need to extract the content" then yes, they do establish notability, as is the case here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ValarianB, While there is some community debate about the nature of SNGs and relationship with GNG, the basic concept for any article is that "article and list topics must be notable, or 'worthy of notice.'" As a community, we do recognize that professional American football players are worthy of notice, bringing to NSPORTS. Under the NSPORTS basic criteria, "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." - Enos733 (talk) 17:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and this person fails NSPORTS. Thank you for supporting my point. ValarianB (talk) 13:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Enos733, As a community, we do recognize that professional American football players are worthy of notice, bringing to NSPORTS. is not true. The community explicitly eliminated American football from NSPORT precisely because there was consensus "being a professional American football player" did not correspond to GNG coverage. Additionally, the hyperlocal Newburyport pieces fail NOTNEWS. The first one is almost entirely repeating "the athletic council said []" and so is definitely not independent (and doesn't have SIGCOV anyway), and the second one is the subject's announcement of his candidacy for a PE teacher position at the town's high school -- and thus must be treated the same way we treat newspaper blurbs on local political candidates. JoelleJay (talk) 04:23, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see the close of WP:NSPORTS2022 rejecting the concept that professional athletes are worthy of notice. If so, we would have seen consensus around eliminating the SNG and requiring that athletes meet GNG. That did not happen. The close clarified that at least one significant source was needed and consistent, participation does not provide a presumption of notability. - Enos733 (talk) 19:58, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
??? There is 100% consensus that athletes are required to meet GNG. It's always been in the first and third lines of NSPORT and two of the FAQs, and post-RfC the bolded sentence The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline. was added. The RfC close enacted the proposal that all athlete subjects must not only meet GNG, but the article must also cite at least one GNG source at all times. NSPORT serves only as a guideline for which subjects are likely to have SIGCOV, it makes no presumptions of direct notability (nor has it ever). JoelleJay (talk) 03:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is hard to square this statement with the close of Proposal 1, where the closer said "the current wording is retained, but the meaning of those words remains unresolved." If there was only the requirement to meet GNG, then the line about sourcing is superfluous. While you may not agree, I believe the community recognizes that leeway in evaluating whether a subject is worthy of an article depends on context (not just can we find X number of articles containing significant coverage). WP:N states this clearly, "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity—although those may enhance the acceptability of a subject that meets the guidelines" - Enos733 (talk) 04:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are several distinctions that need to be disentangled here:
1. The pre-RfC NSPORT status quo was that sportspeople were ultimately required to meet GNG but as long as the subject verifiably met a sport-specific subguideline (SSG) criterion (which was ostensibly calibrated to predict GNG, again as required by the overarching NSPORT SNG) there was no set timeline for the article to demonstrate GNG was met within its citations. This meant an article with merely a reliably-verified assertion of meeting an SSG criterion could get through AfC and survive NPP without needing to prove the subject actually met GNG. There was also substantial leeway for presumptive SIGCOV given to these SSG-meeting subjects at AfD, to the extent that proving they didn't meet GNG often necessitated going way beyond the expectations of BEFORE. On the other hand, in the lead up to the RfC there were several successful efforts to tighten various SSG criteria with the explicit intent of recalibrating them in line with NSPORT's presumption of GNG.
2. Proposal 1 asked for a requirement to demonstrate GNG when challenged at AfD, with no room for any SSG-based presumptions. This would have introduced a definite timeline for GNG proof and would have eliminated the presumptions of SIGCOV afforded to pre-internet/non-English subjects at AfD. The closer apparently misunderstood how pre-RfC NSPORT operated and thought the proposal was (falsely) claiming that demonstrating GNG at AfD was already required, and so the policy mismatch noted in this close and the close of Proposal 8 is in reference to that.
3. Proposal 5 introduced the requirement that at least one GNG source needed to be cited in the article for any SSG-based expectation of fully meeting GNG to apply. NSPORT's existing ultimate requirement for GNG is acknowledged by the closer here Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to meet the GNG. and in Proposal 8 The purpose of a SNG is to give editors guidance on when significant coverage is likely to exist, and clarifying that requirement in the prose will help avoid misuse at AFD, which licensed rewording the NSPORT lead to say The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline.
As far as implementation of the RfC goes, subsequent RfCs and AfDs have only served to solidify the overall GNG requirement as well as the new requirement outlined in SPORTSBASIC #5 for athlete bios to cite a GNG source in order to survive AfC/NPP, avoid draftification/redirection/PRODs, and apply reasonable presumptions of further SIGCOV at AfD.
I hope this deep micro-history of NSPORT bureaucracy clears some things up? :) JoelleJay (talk) 05:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the close. :) - Enos733 (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Does that mean you also disagree with what NSPORT actually says? JoelleJay (talk) 02:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
JoelleJay - This seems to be making an WP:AUD-style argument for what the notability of this person should be, but WP:AUD only applies to WP:CORP situations and as far as I know we have never generally extended it to cover bios. I get the WP:MILL arguments, but I'm extending the benefit of the doubt here. Bottom line is, looks like you could write a meaningful biography of this person based on multiple independent reliable sources.
Now, if you asked me if this article should ever have been created in the form it was, well, no, because I entirely agree that simply going through databases and creating a bio for every single person in the database was just plain bad methodology, a breach of WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:MASSCREATE. You can see that the guy who created this article did so only minutes before making Johnny Hendren, Harold Zerby, and Ike Martin. I also don't think this article will ever be particularly good or meaningful, but that those aren't DELREASONs. FOARP (talk) 10:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the wall of text, but since I respect you and your opinion I want to make my reasoning as clear as possible.
I don't think we need AUD for sources of this type to be excluded. For example, (all emphases mine) NOTNEWS says routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage. NRV says the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity. Newspapers that report all the mundane happenings of small-town life are not sufficiently discriminating for this purpose, as is clear from our guidance Wikipedia is not a news source: it takes more than just routine news reports about a single event or topic to constitute significant coverage. For example, routine news coverage such as press releases, public announcements, sports coverage, and tabloid journalism is not significant coverage. Our guidelines on young athletes also require sources be (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. The first clause excludes all school papers and school websites that cover their sports teams and other teams they compete against. The second clause excludes the majority of local coverage in both news sources and sports specific publications; as the subcriteria of YOUNGATH merely give contextual examples of the type of media attention kids receive rather than introducing new limitations (independence is required for all subjects, and school papers/websites aren't independent for adults either), the definition given for NSPORT's deployment of ROUTINE is applicable across the board. This interpretation has also been upheld in many AfDs.
Regardless, the first piece isn't secondary/independent/SIGCOV as it merely repeats statements from the athletic council and gives very little info on Green, but even if it counted toward GNG that would still only amount to one SIGCOV source since the two Newburyport articles are not independent of each other. JoelleJay (talk) 22:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@FOARP -- even if you still feel the second source is SIGCOV, do you have any input on the lack of multiple SIRS? Or the argument for NOPAGE? JoelleJay (talk) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I am giving reduced weight to the IAR/inherent-notability !votes since they're at odds with broader global consensus, but additional sources have been presented late in the discussion and I want to give editors a chance to evaluate whether they're sufficient to meet the GNG.
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I find it a bit ridiculous to dismiss multi-paragraph front page coverage as just "all routine." BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:58, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What multi-paragraph front page coverage that is beyond the routine? Be extremely specific. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Multi-paragraph front page coverage on a person is never routine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure it can be, especially in a local paper. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Locality of coverage is 100% irrelevant here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't because most local coverage is routine and routine coverage doesn't count towards notability. Now what about this coverage isn't routine? And please cite specific paragraphs or sentences. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most local coverage is not "routine" – it only applies to events and the guideline lists things such as coverage of scheduled events ... [w]edding announcements, sports scores, crime logs ... sports matches, film premieres, [and] press conferences – the sigcov articles do not fall under those. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But for some reason you're not saying what they do fall under? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Some newspapers, particularly older ones, do in fact cover routine things on the front page. In this case I don't agree that a few paragraphs mentioning his new coaching position counts as significant coverage. –dlthewave ☎ 21:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Explain how the articles do not cover Green "directly and in detail" – because that's what determines whether its SIGCOV, and these certainly appear to cover him directly. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Explain how multi-paragraph front page coverage on multi-game NFL players does not count towards notability ("covers the topic directly and in detail") – be extremely specific. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on the source, if its a national paper you're right but local papers generally don't count towards notability. What does them being a multi-game NFL player have to do with notability? Plenty of NFL players aren't notable. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
local papers generally don't count towards notability – with the exception of businesses (which this clearly is not) – NOWHERE says that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the coverage in local papers isn't significant, its coverage of people getting hired and fired at the local high school or local sports games for example. Now what do these newspaper articles talk about (I can't follow those links so you're going to have to either summarize or copy and paste), and what papers are they? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the coverage in local papers isn't significant – I find many articles in local papers to cover topics "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" (definition of sigcov) – just like we have here. I might be able to email you the content if you would like (listing it here would be copyvio, I believe). BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You can copy and paste brief passages, that should be all you need to demonstrate that the coverage was of a non-routine nature. Not asking for the whole thing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:14, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back, here are the sources claimed to be SIGCOV:
Larry Greene to help coach N.H.S. gridsters
Former Georgetown University star will be assistant to Delmer F. Borah next fall at local school
Larry Greene, former Haverhill High school and Georgetown University star and at one time assistant football coach at Amesbury High school, will be the assistant to Head Coach Delmer F. Borah at Newburyport High school next fall, it was learned last evening. The Athletic Council, which controls sports in the High school, is now working to determine what salary the now assistant will be paid.
Greene may not be with the Crimson eleven the entire season, according to Elliot P Knight, chairman of the council, for it is possible that the salary which the council can afford will not warrant full time work. He is expected to be hired for at least three-quarters of the season, anyway Greene will succeed Robert Pike, former University of Pennsylvania star, as assistant to Borah.
The athletic council must pay the assistant coach out of the receipts of the football games, and while they cannot be accurately estimated at this time, the council is basing its figures on the receipts of the 1932 season when they were a little over $5000. The council is conservatively estimating the proceeds, of games for the coming season, figuring guarantees to be received from games away from home and otherwise. It is believed that the council will be able to afford about $500 for an assistant to the head coach.
The council chairman says that its budget has been shaved of all expenses possible and the board realizes the importance of an assistant, inasmuch as the 1933 schedule is a stiff one, with all dates having been filled but the Thanksgiving morning date. Chariman Knight says that the former Georgetown player has not yet been signed but that he will be the assistant to Borah this year.
"Larry" Greene Out for Coach's Berth at the Local High School
Amesbury, June 25–Lawrence E. "Larry" Greene, of Haverhill, a three-letter athlete at High school and college and a successful athletic coach was reported today to be one of the candidates for the position of coach and physical education supervisor at the High school here.
Mr Greene has been serving as assistant football coach at Newburyport High school for the past two seasons and has also been assistant director of physical education at the public playgrounds in Haverhill. Int the latter capacity he has had charge of shaping a recreational program for nearly 3000 children.
At Haverhill High, Mr Greene was a football, baseball and basketball star. He went from that school to Phillips Exeter academy, where he also played football, baseball and basketball. He was regarded as one of the outstanding football ends ever developed in this section.
Mr Greene went from Phillips Exeter to Georgetown university, where he played varsity sports for two full seasons. He gave up his studies and athletic career to enter the army during the World War. He served in France with B company, 302nd Machine Gun Battalion and during the war also helped in the organization and coaching of service athletic teams. At the close of the war, Mr Greene resumed his studies, attending Princeton. While at that college, he served as assistant football coach under Nat Poe, having charge of the ends. In 1920, Mr Greene returned to Haverhill, where he served as assistant coach to Bill Broderick at Haverhill High and Bodger Carroll at St James.
The candidate's first local connection was in 1926 when he was secured as an assistant to Charles B Broderick, who is now at Leominster. Broderick and Greene developed one of the best Amesbury High football teams in history that year. Mr Greene has also played professional football and baseball and is regarded as an outstanding coach of all sports.
It seems candidates for school board, selectmen, board of water and sewer commissioners, library board, etc. all receive blurbs. Even the children trying out for high school varsity sports will get coverage. People will announce that they decline to run in elections and their declensions will be published. These articles are sandwiched between "multi-paragraph front-page pieces" like "H. G. Fenders on police force for 26 years" and "Ryerson taken on auto charge" (detailing the apprehension in New Hampshire of a former Newburyport (MA) resident for speeding). This is a newspaper that publishes multiple paragraph-long recaps of local children's birthday parties in seemingly every issue, including details like who won particular games. Such mundane hyperlocal human interest stories should not count towards GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 00:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can see why BeanieFan11 flat out refused to post anything from it... Thats clearly not significant coverage. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Suggesting that we should not have an article on this player even though he has sufficient coverage because NFL players are not "encyclopedic" and we "don't have to have it" is ludicrous. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First, I want to say that I seriously and genuinely considered calling out your conduct during this AfD as being exemplary. Thank you, sincerely. I will address your points in sequence.
  1. I completely agree that an article implies notability, but notability does not imply an article. From NOPAGE, "at times it is better to cover a notable topics as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context" (emphasis mine). However, I do not see what additional context is necessary to understand Green. And the fact that we do not have articles on other things is not relevant, as only this article is currently at AfD (see also WP:OSE).
  2. Our article on encyclopedias defines them as "a reference work or compendium providing summaries of knowledge". As we are summarizing knowledge about Green, I believe that this is encyclopedic. WP:DUE applies to the content of articles, not to the article itself.
  3. I do not see any evidence that it is not independent, and given that it is a newspaper article that would on the surface appear to be independent, I would apply Occam's razor. In other words, I believe that the source appears reliable, so the burden of proof is on people to show it is not independent.
  4. ROUTINE is a part of NEVENT, not NSPORT or NBIO. Per WP:NOTROUTINE, "WP:ROUTINE is a subsection of the guideline Wikipedia:Notability (events) and therefore only applies to establishing notability about events. The primary guideline discussing notability of people is Wikipedia:Notability (people)." (links in original).
That being said, I do not fault you for coming to a different conclusion. This is not an obvious case. Best, HouseBlastertalk 20:08, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the kind words and for engaging so thoughtfully, @HouseBlaster.
Regarding the quote about "routine", that was directly from NOTNEWS, not WP:ROUTINE. The guidance at WP:ROUTINE is of course centered on when to make standalones on events, but the standards for what constitutes a ROUTINE event are calibrated to/derived from NOTNEWS, where "routine" is employed to describe the sort of mundane coverage of any topic that doesn't contribute to notability.
The issue I and others have raised here is that Green(e)'s article was created because he played in "the NFL", however all of the coverage of him that has any substance is from hyperlocal "run-of-the-mill" pieces that have little to no mention of his "professional" career. Because such coverage would not be considered sufficient for any subject who didn't already have a claim to notability (an article based on a PE teacher candidate's profile and an announcement that they had been appointed assistant HS football coach would be rejected per NOT), we must consider the possibility that playing in the early NFL is not actually regarded as a noteworthy achievement by itself. This is bolstered by the arguments above on how totally different the "pioneer years" of football were compared to the "modern years" in terms of coverage, prestige, scope, etc. It was exactly these discoveries (that X's participation in Y did not predict SIGCOV of X) that led to our tightening of Olympian notability criteria, reductions in which leagues/tournaments were included in NFOOTY/NCRICKET, and eventually the elimination of all participation-based criteria. If you start from the presumption that all NFL players are notable, then any coverage at all can appear sufficient to flesh out a bio; but since GRIDIRON was removed, playing in the NFL in the 1920s does not meet any NSPORT/NBIO criterion and thus cannot be used to support notability. Accordingly, when you evaluate the non-trivial coverage by itself, agnostic to the claim to fame, what you get is a guy who was moderately successful at sports in high school and college, was a soldier in WWI, went on to become an assistant high school coach, and put himself forward as a candidate for HS head coach/PE teacher. JoelleJay (talk) 00:16, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You think there's two Lawrence Edward Green(e)s who played pro football and baseball from Massachusetts and at Georgetown in the 1910s-1920s? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:38, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Prove to me that they are the same person without doing any original research. As someone who has actually done off-wiki historical research of this kind, I can tell you it isn't an easy task to definitely prove anything. And it certainly is outwith of Wikipedia due to WP:OR. If you've gone away and written an academic article or book about this person then fine we can likely use your research in an WP page. If you are doing the research whilst writing the page we can't. That's how it works. JMWt (talk) 16:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pro Football Archives / Pro-Football-Reference.com: Lawrence Edward Green(e) – from Haverhill HS, two years at Georgetown, played football (as an end) in 1910s/20s, served in WWI, from Massachusetts; Newburyport news articles: Lawrence E. Greene – from Haverhill HS, two years at Georgetown, played football (as an end), baseball, and basketball, served in WWI, two years at Georgetown, from Massachusetts. How are they not the same? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The local newspaper excerpts above do not specify the professional football team that the coach played for. Firstly that suggests that the newspaper article writers didn't know or didn't think it was worth noting even at the time. Secondly puts some doubt as to whether it is even about the same person. I can't prove a negative, but without OR I don't see how you can be sure it is the same person. There are breadcrumbs to follow but unless the newspaper specifies something about his play for the canton bulldogs, how can you be sure? The whole purpose of the notability criteria is to protect the quality of WP articles, and we do that by not jumping to conclusions, not doing OR and instead reflecting what other RS have written. JMWt (talk) 18:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How the heck could there be two Lawrence E. Greene's who played two years of football at Georgetown in the 1910s, served in WWI, later played pro football, from Haverhill High School, from Massachusetts, and whose position was end? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How come Moussa Dembélé (French footballer) and Mousa Dembélé (Belgian footballer) are different players in the same era? Coincidences happen. JMWt (talk) 18:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They started with different teams and had different positions, and were from different places. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And your point is? Asserting that something is self evidently true doesn't mean it is. That's it. JMWt (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My point is: we've got here the same high school, same state from, same sport, same position, same amount of years in college, same college, same era, same name, both took a year off from college to serve in WWI ... these are the same person. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At some point WP:COMMONSENSE needs to be applied. Rlendog (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why you're linking to Wikipedia:What "Ignore all rules" means, that's clearly not the use of common sense you mean in this comment. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're missing the point. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No I'm not, JMWt is right that much of what you're doing with these old sources is skating over OR ice. For example you don't ever seem to establish that these old papers are WP:RS, you basically just say they exist and thats good enough when the vast majority of old papers in the US don't meet out reliability standards. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For example you don't ever seem to establish that these old papers are WP:RS, you basically just say they exist and thats good enough when the vast majority of old papers in the US don't meet out reliability standards. – huh? That's not even close to true. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which part isn't true? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your entire comment. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:26, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then this is the part where you provide diffs of you establishing the reliability of the sources you use in Football related deletion discussions. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You need to be the one proving that the "vast majority of all newspaper sources" are unreliable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not how it works, the burden to demonstrate reliability always lies with the person who wants to use the source. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the coverage falls under something clearly disqualifying it from being reliable (for example, its a blog (published by a non-expert), random comments on social media, etc.), it is considered reliable unless a community discussion determines otherwise. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not how wikipedia works, there is no pre-judgement of sources as good. Editors are expected to evaluate each and every source they use before doing so and only to use the ones which meet out WP:RS standards. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And these souces meet the RS standards. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The requirement is that you demonstrate that, not just say it. Be specific, which sources are reliable and why? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:46, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And you still haven't shown me the consensus saying that "the vast majority of all newspapers are unreliable." BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of pre-WWII sources are unreliable, thats just the way it is. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You still haven't shown me anywhere saying that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have to. I'm not the one trying to use a source here so I don't have to do anything, you are however required to demonstrate the source's reliability if you want to use it. Not sure how you can disagree with that statement though, do you not believe that old sources are in general less reliable than new ones? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just did a review of WP:SOURCES which is a subsection of the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability. There is a section titled "Sources that are usually not reliable" and there is no metion of pre-WWII sources as being unreliable. That's a bold claim and requesting that it needs to be backed up is reasonable.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is clearly going nowhere. I'm done arguing over this point. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You don't really have a choice... You either need to withdraw the sources you claim contribute to notability or demonstrate that they are WP:RS. Its that simple. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You need to explain to me how they would not be reliable. I've never seen anywhere or anyone say before that "the vast majority of old newspapers are unreliable." BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to know why the sources provided do not meet WP:RS in the eyse of the other editor. We want to make sure we make Wikipedia better, so if it were true that we shouldn't use sources before WWII then we have a whole lot of sitewide cleanup to do, not just this article here.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You think that the vast majority of sources before WWII are WP:RS? I think only a tiny handful are, maybe 1% or 2% and site wide we use very very few sources from before WWII. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:03, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RS need to be independent and have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, most pre-modern newspapers don't meet either of those requirements. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's okay that you believe that, I guess... but do you have a shred of support for it or is this exclusively some kind of personal belief?--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
the sources provided ... are essentially just summaries of games – what? No they're not. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
42 comments on this AfD? To your objection: yes, sorry, I was too succinct. A couple of routine announcements about coaching too. Definitely does not meet WP:SPORTCRIT. It is not even close. The subject lacks any significant coverage that is non trivial in reliable and independent secondary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per SIGCOV: covers the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content – there's also NBIO: If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability – first, I believe that the coverage covers him directly and in detail (the articles are specifically about him, and contain a good deal of details); and secondly, even if those aren't enough, we've got lots of smaller and less in-depth sources which could be combined to show notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Which is not what we have here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:58, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How not? Numerous lesser in-depth sources were shown above (in addition to several in-depth ones). We definitely have enough to write a decent biography. I will if the article is kept or draftified. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At 54 replies in this thread (an average in excess of 3 replies for every delete !vote) , I am calling WP:BLUD. As per my comment, I evaluated the sources against the criteria, and they do not meet the guidelines. Rather than repeating your assertion, made numerous times above, that you are of a different opinion, I suggest you explain how, for instance, a source that says "Larry Green a coming catcher for Orioles if he makes good in the Blue Ridge League," demonstrates notability for an article, when the very text of that title is basically saying "we think this guy may be someone to take notice of one day if he does well." The article says "Dunn thinks maybe he has a coming catcher..." and this is in The Baltimore Evening Sun, so, sorry, this does not meet WP:SPORTCRIT. And this, I think, is the best source. There is no breadth of coverage here, and there is no depth of coverage. If you think differently, don't repeat that 54 times. Find better sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to University College Dublin. Closing with Bearian's proposal. Selective merge. Liz Read! Talk! 21:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

University College Dublin Symphony Orchestra[edit]

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No evidence that this student orchestra meets WP:NBAND, WP:NORG or WP:GNG. In terms of NBAND, no indication that ensemble has released or charted a single or album, has been nominated for any award, won any major music competitions or anything similar (According to its own webpage, it only "give[s] around 4/5 public performances annually"). In terms of NORG and GNG, the only coverage I can find in national news sources are these [14][15][16] in the Irish Times and these [17][18][19][20][21] in the Irish Independent stable of regional/national papers. All are trivial passing mentions where the subject is only fleetingly mentioned. The only review I can find is a single/solitary example in Hot Press: [22]. I can otherwise find no independent sources that deal with the subject as a primary topic. Guliolopez (talk) 16:06, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge, as while not notable itself, it still contains useful information. Stopasianhate (talk) 01:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Hi. And thanks for your note. While I'm all for alternatives to deletion and 100% agree that the subject here has no independent notability, could I ask what text we might merge and to where? Given that all of the content is fairly banal (orchestra exists, has done so since 2002, first played publicly in 2005, and continues to a handful of times annually) and is not supported by any independent sources? Separately, and with every welcome to the project, you may want to take a quick look at why "may not be notable, but could be useful" is included among the "arguments to avoid in deletion discussions" examples. Guliolopez (talk) 02:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 21:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnázium Třebíč[edit]

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Does not pass notability criteria per WP:NSCHOOL. FromCzech (talk) 12:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Garuda3 (talk) 17:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Casey and Andy[edit]

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This article was deleted at AfD in 2010 as it was spammy and sourced to blogs and other non independent or non reliable sources. It was recently restored but seems to me to suffer from the same shortcomings as the previous version. NPP reviewers have attempted a redirect but this was reverted. I didn’t think there is enough in-depth coverage in RIS for this to remain as a stand-alone article. I’ve no objection to a redirect but we should also prevent it being recreated so it has to come back to AfD for a fourth time. Mccapra (talk) 11:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you please show which three sources are the best, offering in depth and independent coverage of the subject? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 04:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PP Reddy[edit]

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This article is heavily reliant on REFBOMBING. The information currently available on the subject is limited and does not meet the criteria for general notability. Akevsharma (talk) 16:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the DNA India and the second article are both brief mentions, barely half a page. DNA website is full of clickbait articles, I'm doubting reliability. I don't find much more for sourcing, other than confirmation that he's rich. Simply being rich isn't GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 20:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and the India Herald (link 3 given above in the HouseBlaster comment above) is also full of spammy links and articles. They all paraphrase one another, farmer's son's wealth increases to Rs 33,000. The pop-up ads on the site are larger than this "article", which also makes me doubt it's a RS. Oaktree b (talk) 20:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 15:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac[edit]

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A weird bibliography sourced to a single paper from the SSRN that itself says it will be copied to Wikipedia. A single paper does prove it meets WP:NLIST, all of the entries fail WP:GNG themselves, and as a whole, it reeks of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Kept at the last discussion with one vote which argued that the nominator didn't put forth a reason for deletion. Why? I Ask (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nigel Braun[edit]

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Of the three sources in the article, the Michigan Daily article constitutes substantial coverage. The other two don't since they offer hardly any secondary coverage of Braun. I think the creator has done the best job possible in terms of sourcing: as with many YouTube personalities, it's easy to retrieve information on him, but I haven't found any substantial pieces in solid sources. I think he misses our GNG at this time. Modussiccandi (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 15:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

D. Whitfield[edit]

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As per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#D._Whitfield, this appears to be a hoax with fabricated references. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 15:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Farihin Farkhan[edit]

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Stats stub with no evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. A Singaporean source search yielded only weak coverage like Straits Times 1, Straits Times 2 and Yahoo. I can't find anything even close to detailed coverage that we can build a meaningful biography from despite playing 8 matches. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete but draftify. The consensus is clear that the article does not belong in mainspace. However @Ivanvector: is an established editor and saving him the step of undeleting if he chooses to work on it. If not, G7 or G13 solve this. Star Mississippi 15:04, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the Assa River[edit]

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I have mentioned the reasons in the talk page, this whole article is based on a folk tale that has no basis in reality Goddard2000 (talk) 17:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of the sources mention a folk tale that has no basis in reality. Besides even the original source claims the Kabardinians, and Kumyks were on Egi's side. I don't know why the author placed them separately. If this story had any proof like a military report or anything else really then i wouldn't mind. I believe we should look into wikieditors articles, there are many dubious sources. I mean if we go by his logic and way of doing things then we can record the sayings and folk tales of the clan Äkkhi that claim they defeated French in a battle, even the clan chieftan is known as the "Scourge of the French" in folk tales. Then we might even add this to pages such as "French battle list" as a French defeat and a great Chechen victory. This is Wikieditor's methodology
(I wrote this originally in the talk page but no one responded). Goddard2000 (talk) 17:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of authoritative sources and obvious forgery. The article contains deliberately false information. Merjuev Salovdi (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the author of these articles with weak sources, after the articles are taken out of drafts or tested, he adds there without sources Ingush. Note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.198.131.186 (talk) 11:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment being a folk tale is not a reason for deletion, as long as the article describes it as such. Being a hoax on the other hand, is. 151.188.137.191 (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So a biased folk tale can be turned into a wikipedia article? a folk tale that has no proof of happening in either archeological report or military report? We might as well add Chechen victories over French as a battle since such a folk tale exists among certain Chechen clans, also we can add this French defeat in the "list of battles involving France". If we set a precedent of creating wikipedia battles based on a folk tale by an elder then we would have thousands of fantastical battles. It is better to add this story as a text in larger article instead of devoting a whole article on it. Goddard2000 (talk) 16:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If the article does not have significance and authoritative sources, then this is a clear forgery of information. Then let's write articles about all the people in the world, just for quantity. Then no one will catch up with the English Wikipedia by articles. I understand you are allowed to write everything here, in Russian you were forbidden to publish it. --Товболатов (talk) 19:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as hoax Ioe bidome (talk) 21:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 15:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gaelscoil Uí Chéadaigh[edit]

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Non-notable primary school. No indication that the subject school meets WP:NORG or WP:GNG. Appears to be a relatively normal primary school that is similar to any other. School hasn't been the subject of any national news coverage (nothing returned in searches in Irish Times, or Irish Examiner or on RTÉ website) and the results in the Independent stable of newspapers is all relatively light coverage in the local Bray People paper. And even that includes mostly ROTM notices and passing mentions that do not contribute to notability. While WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES might suggest redirecting the title to Bray, County Wicklow article, I'm not sure that's the best approach (as there are well over a dozen schools in the area, and unclear why this one is any different from others). Would also result in something of an EASTEREGG. Guliolopez (talk) 16:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 14:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Woolton (ship)[edit]

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I redirected three articles (Woolton (1774 ship), Woolton (1786 ship) and Woolton (1804 ship)) to this article, and User:Martin of Sheffield then merged them.

However, neither of the three is notable, and while the second one replaced the lost first one, there seems to be no link with the third one. If the individual ships aren't notable, having a "list" which is just a sequence of three articles isn't any better. There are no sources about "ships called Woolton", it's not a topic of interest as such. Such a list where at least one ship is notable and has its own article may perhaps be useful, but if none of them warrant an article, then a group of articles masquerading as a list is equally unwarranted. Fram (talk) 12:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I merged the articles because Fram considered the individual stubs to be of no interest (to him) but did decide to keep the list (including circular redirects). A bare list is of no use to anyone checking up on the details of the ships whereas including the information from the stubs makes a useful resource. The work has been properly cited (Lloyd's Register and four other sources). The 1804 ship is of particular interest being involved in the slave trade right at the end (indeed she was wrecked in the same year that the Slave Trade Act 1807 was passed). Individuals' interpretation of WP:NOTABLE is notoriously idiosyncratic, let alone whether or not one finds it "not a topic of interest". I suspect that this is a classic disagreement between Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia.
In short, having decided to set up a redirects to an article it seems a little odd to now be trying to delete the self-same article because it has been improved. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't realised at the time that the redirects meant that no individual entries were left. The sources are primary (Lloyds, usually passing mentions) and databases, none of the ships have significant coverage in secondary sources (if I missed any, please list it here). Fram (talk) 15:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although the content needs reducing it is a set index article which are created for all ships having a common name Lyndaship (talk) 13:14, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Being a set index is not sufficient reason to keep an article, in a case like here were none of the individual entries are notable, the group has had to have received some attention. We wouldn't accept a set index of bakers called John Smith even if we could verify the existence of a few of them, something more is needed to be an acceptable set list. Fram (talk) 15:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can I refer you to WP:CSC in particular Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles Lyndaship (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. That doesn't mean that you can have a list where every entry fails the notability criteria, and the list topic as a whole hasn't received attention. Otherwise one can create lists for everything that is verifiable, without any other care about any notability whatsoever. Fram (talk) 15:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Observation. This seems to be a new tactic to evade established due process for deletion via WP:AFD, in this case, three articles - for example Woolton (1786 ship): (1) delete all the content and convert to redirect, (2) propose the deletion of the target article, (3) if latter successful, the redirects will fall (together with the original page histories). The first stage is directly contrary to WP:BLANK. Davidships (talk) 21:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It did seem an odd way to do things. Whether he was right or not, one person can convert an article into a simple redirect without the need for AFD or even speedy delete. That's why I sought to preserve the information, which I'd come across a year or two ago when specifically looking for Woolton (1774). Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been trimmed back to a normal list since writing the opinion above. So now no objection to the existence of the article and almost no problems with the execution. I would still like to have at least one reference to the historicity for each vessel. gidonb (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course there were references to the vessels — on the pages that Fram deleted. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Martin of Sheffield, correct. We need these (also) in the lists. One reference per vessel is the absolute minimum. Ideally, we will be able to reference each sentence through multiple sources. gidonb (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hubert A. Rogers[edit]

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There is no mention of this on Google Scholar. I found some WP:PASSING mentions from reliable independent sources on Google books, but that is about it.

The subject clearly does not meet WP:BIO (being the centre of multiple independent reliable sources over time, being remarkable) and therefore should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 12:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that GNG and BIO do not apply if the subject is claimed to be Old Catholic? Otherwise, do you have any proof of notability for the subject? Veverve (talk) 03:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chhatrabali Singh (politician)[edit]

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Was deprodded that as a member of Zila Panchayat, that confers notability. However, not sure that being a member of that body meets WP:NPOL. And there is not enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 11:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 13:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Upward communication[edit]

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No sources. -- Beland (talk) 09:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 13:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Loon (yacht)[edit]

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This reads like an advertisement for a charter yacht, probably because that's exactly what it is. It doesn't establish the notability of the boat. It only serves to promote the product.

I did PROD this, but the article creator who has made few other edits removed the PROD notice as is his right. 10mmsocket (talk) 09:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Maybe I should have SD-nominated it instead of PROD'ing it in the first place. Perhaps a friendly admin will come along and closed this AfD early - if there is such a thing...--10mmsocket (talk) 15:53, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this article is advertising. Most of the work on this article was paid work by Global Superyacht Marketing. It fails independent, reliable and secondary source. There are plenty of yacht directories. WP need not be another. Rhadow (talk) 17:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Whether or not the article was written for money/as an advertisement, there is significant coverage in independent sources: Forbes and Business Insider, for example. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 07:40, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete - consensus is that this person is not independently notable. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Villa[edit]

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A previous article on this subject was deleted at AfD in November 2020. Regarding this current instance, it falls under the same concerns as before, as to whether coverage which is predominantly about the Yokkao company also establishes biographical notability for the individual. The coverage is mixed: some appears to be coverage originated from the company (Forbes/Ascend Brandvoice, Digital Journal/PRshouts, Muay Thai Citizen - which also features the photo cropped here as "own work"), and CNNMoney mentions the company but not the individual. A redirect to Yokkao could be an alternative, though as DGG noted in the earlier AfD, that article may also need some attention. AllyD (talk) 07:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Samanthajjo: Notability is not inherited. Anarchyte (talk) 08:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 06:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lycée Français MLF d'Al Khobar[edit]

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. No significant coverage LibStar (talk) 03:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Kage Baker. Liz Read! Talk! 06:24, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Zeus Inc.[edit]

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Zero sources cited except for a Google Maps link, and unsure what the notability claim here actually is. Page appears to comprise only OR. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 06:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pull my finger[edit]

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WP:NOTDIC. Aside from dictionary entries the only academic source I could find was The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren by Iona and Peter Opie, though both mentions of the phrase appear to be unrelated to this meaning. There was some non-academic coverage such as from Jim Dawson who appears to be more of a humor writer rather than a subject matter expert. Otherwise I don't see anything that makes this subject encyclopedic. QuietHere (talk) 05:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For reference, here is the Opie book. The two mentions are on pages 61 and 406. If there's a way to link directly to specific pages from Google Books then I don't know/remember it. QuietHere (talk) 05:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete cannot find any significant coverage, also the first AfD is laughable. (t · c) buidhe 09:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I didn't even see that one. Golly, those arguments are so persuasive! I should just withdraw right now!
That, of course, was sarcasm. Wow, 2005 WP sure was a time, huh. QuietHere (talk) 10:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pull my finger! No, this is not notable. Delete for any kind of sourcing on the subject. Oaktree b (talk) 16:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with nominator. CT55555(talk) 05:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Expansion of the article has addressed the concerns in the nomination statement. Liz Read! Talk! 06:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Martin (broadcaster)[edit]

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Fifteen years without a reliable source for a subject with a thin claim to notability in the first place is more than enough. BD2412 T 05:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Venkoji Koli[edit]

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This has been redirected several times. There is zero in-depth coverage of this individual, and zero of the information in the article is verified in the sources, other than the threat to cut communications. According to the current sources. there was an individual named Venkoji who was a clan chief of the Koli, but that, in and of itself, is not notable. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 02:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katya Rodríguez-Vázquez[edit]

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Non-notable academic. Her IEEE page only shows 2 publications with 9 citations [36]. Sources used include her resume and her work bio, appears more like a LinkedIn biography than a wiki article. Oaktree b (talk) 04:21, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz Recognition gives an arguable WP:ANYBIO pass, plus all the rest makes me comfortable to !vote keep. CT55555(talk) 15:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Regina Farmer[edit]

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Little to no third party coverage as far as I can tell. Likely to fail WP:NBIO KH-1 (talk) 03:38, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. I see a consensus here to Keep this article. Any discussion of turning this page into a Redirect can occur on the article talk page. I don't see the advantage of having a newly created Draft article on the same subject so perhaps that should be tagged for speedy deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 03:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wyver[edit]

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Non-notable small nature reserve. Article has no references and has been tagged as such for a decade. Searches just find tourist guides and so on which only indicate that the reserve exists but don't give any detail of its history or anything to indicate it's more notable than any other small area of land used for conservation purposes. Neiltonks (talk) 13:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Reserve is fairly well known, at least in a Derbyshire context (Derbyshire Wildlife Trust page calls it "one of the Trust's most important wetland reserves"). There are articles for Cheshire Wildlife Trust reserves of similar notability (e.g. Warburton's Wood Nature Reserve). References doubtless exist for Wyver Lane (notably official DWT page); better to improve the referencing than delete. Dave.Dunford (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Wyver isn't just the reserve, it's a wider locality too, much of the area to the west of the Derwent river. Formally recognised as a place name by ONS and OS, other local features use it as a prefix (lane, farm, wood), the farm in particular dating back to at least the 14th century, and later associated to the nearby mills. Could expand by adding non-reserve detail and as mentioned add some refs. Regards, The Equalizer (talk) 05:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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For starters, the area is completely within the Derwent Valley Mills World Heritage Site.
Several listed buildings are in Wyver including the aforementioned farm - Listed buildings in Belper - links and sources of those are within.
The lane has a historic connection to the owners of the Belper mills https://her.derbyshire.gov.uk/Monument/MDR15538
Local quarries existed - https://her.derbyshire.gov.uk/Monument/MDR13561 https://her.derbyshire.gov.uk/Monument/MDR13562 The Equalizer (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above keep arguments. Libcub (talk) 06:09, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks pretty positive so I created Draft:Wyver if anyone wants to help bring it up to the required standard alongside me... I've already begun.
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marine vertebrate[edit]

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I am nominating this very cautiously given the length and mostly well-sourced content, but there is simply no use for an article on such a topic. Many of the species discussed here are not particularly closely related beyond being vertebrates, nor do they have similar modes of existence beyond living in the ocean. There is nothing that could ever be included here that would not fit better into another article and it could never read as anything other than WP:SYNTH of marginally related subtopics. An anonymous username, not my real name 03:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sydeman, William J.; Poloczanska, Elvira; Reed, Thomas E.; Thompson, Sarah Ann (2015-11-13). "Climate change and marine vertebrates". Science. 350 (6262): 772–777. doi:10.1126/science.aac9874. ISSN 0036-8075.
  • López‐Martínez, Sergio; Morales‐Caselles, Carmen; Kadar, Julianna; Rivas, Marga L. "Overview of global status of plastic presence in marine vertebrates". Global Change Biology. 27 (4): 728–737. doi:10.1111/gcb.15416. ISSN 1354-1013.
  • Aguirre, A. Alonso; Tabor, Gary M. (2004-09-01). "Introduction: Marine Vertebrates as Sentinels of Marine Ecosystem Health". EcoHealth. 1 (3): 236–238. doi:10.1007/s10393-004-0091-9. ISSN 1612-9210.
  • Burger, Joanna (1988). Seabirds & Other Marine Vertebrates: Competition, Predation, and Other Interactions. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0-231-06362-3.
  • Rossi-Santos, Marcos R.; Finkl, Charles W. (2017-08-10). Advances in Marine Vertebrate Research in Latin America: Technological Innovation and Conservation. Springer. ISBN 978-3-319-56985-7.
Jfire (talk) 04:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I am not piling on for the notability reasoning but to maybe explain why such a grouping is useful. The references that Jfire posts above are all from global change biology, and 'marine vertebrates' as a grouping are useful to explain how ecosystem changes may affect large-bodied taxa (as distinct from e.g. algae/plankton) amongst a broad range of phyla. Consider similarly Megafauna which are also very different species but are usefully classed together to explain their gradual disappearance from the modern day. It shouldn't be seen as a systematic group.
I agree there's something up with the article that very few of the references actually act to explain the concept of "marine vertebrates". The article just provides examples of some vertebrates that live in the sea, not that "marine vertebrates" is a ecologically-meaningful/useful grouping. Maybe I could start rewriting it with the references Jfire has provided above. Thanks all. NeverRainsButPours (talk) 20:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While not monophyletic, Marine Vertebrates are a broadly used grouping of organisms which warrant a common discussion. See also the useful page on Flying and gliding animals or Marine fungi.
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The result was keep. I'm closing this discussion as Keep as that is the opinion of the majority of editors here. It would help if those editors wanting to keep this article worked on improving the article and its sourcing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:18, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Graham Farquharson[edit]

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Spammy content, not even clear if its sourced (has two external links but because of the giant WP:WALLOFTEXT in the body I can't verify if they are actually references or not). Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a note on the project talk page (item 25 in the list) [38], we'll see if it helps. Oaktree b (talk) 03:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment My vague feeling is that the Order of Canada makes him notable, but then again he received it in a ceremony with 130+ other people per the Governor General's website. So maybe even that doesn't qualify him. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This 1993 National Post article describes him as "best-known for leading the investigation that identified Bre-X as a fraud" and notes that he is a member of the Canadian Mining Hall of Fame. This one describes him as "instrumental in exposing the salting scandal at Bre-X Minerals Ltd." while this article describes him as "the man who put the final nail in the coffin of Bre-X". Multiple articles refer to him as the president of various mining companies, including Strathcona Mineral Services Ltd. and Nanisivik Mines Ltd, while this one mentions his appointment as board member of Placer Dome. Mooonswimmer 19:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on these sources found. Oaktree b (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. I'm closing this as No consensus as opinion is evenly split and there has been no additional participation has come from the prior two relistings. Liz Read! Talk! 03:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

George Gabet[edit]

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Unclear whether this passes WP:N, and when combined with systematic issues of a poorly written page with the most of skeletal sources, deletion seems to be the best solution. Maximilian775 (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Athletics at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres. Liz Read! Talk! 03:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Lesca[edit]

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As a microstub that duplicates a database violates WP:NOTDATABASE. Violates WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 due to the lack of sources providing WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG; a WP:BEFORE search found no suitable sources. BilledMammal (talk) 02:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify. Liz Read! Talk! 01:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Konjam Pesinaal Yenna[edit]

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Unreleased film that fails to establish notability. Unlike other unreleased Tamil films, this film did not have its entire soundtrack released. This film is only notable if it releases and either should be moved to the draftspace or deleted. DareshMohan (talk) 01:32, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I'd ordinarily do a procedural close for an AFD nomination that doesn't provide a deletion rationale. But the lack of one hasn't fazed six editors who believe the article should be deleted so I'll abide by consensus and close this as Delete. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delfino Agencies[edit]

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I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 01:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

delet MumQuin (talk) 01:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Dolphin Tale 2. I selected this redirect target because two editors mentioned it while the other target only got one mention. But if is a better options, please bring it up on the redirect talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hope (dolphin)[edit]

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Not seeing any sources other than her connection to her more famous companion, Winter (dolphin). A redirect to Dolphin Tale 2 would probably be best. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:28, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. Liz Read! Talk! 01:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Devil's Thumbprint[edit]

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Creator Tanbircdq felt we should have an article on this book and its author, whereas Usernamekiran and St.teresa each thought both subjects non-notable. The four-year-old notability tags should not become permanent badges of shame, so I invite discussion.

The bulk of Wikipedia's critical response section is capsule comments from flap copy. The one cited review is based heavily on an interview with author Akbar.[45] One could read WP:NBOOK as discounting it for book notability purposes as a publication where the author speaks about the book. I found only one other non-trivial review.[46] (page 8) That reviewer published a book with the same publisher the following year, a book which was launched at the Dhaka Literary Festival (organized by Akbar), which muddies the question of independence.

The only other source of any depth is British Bangladeshi Who's Who,[47] a type of publication often discounted when evaluating notability on the grounds that their capsule bios are based on information supplied by the subjects, and self-promotion is not the road to a Wikipedia article.

More recently (2021), Akbar has been mentioned briefly in Brill's Journal of World Literature in a list of "young and emerging Bangladeshi poets".[48] This characterization suggests that a Wikipedia article about him may be WP:TOOSOON. Worldbruce (talk) 00:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Sjoberg, Lore (12 December 2006). "After the Punchline". Wired. Retrieved 12 December 2006.
  2. ^ Kitty, RP (27 May 2005). "Review of GURPS Casey & Andy". RPGnet. Retrieved 27 May 2005.
  3. ^ Beal, Jake. Review: If I Were An Evil Overlord. Massachusetts Institute of Technology Science Fiction Society, 31 May 2007.
  4. ^ Lefebvre, Eliot (29 October 2010). "Storyboard: Roleplaying in MMOs: The Unshuffled Mortal Coil". Engadget. Retrieved 29 October 2010.
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