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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:40, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Inspirer (magazine)[edit]

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I can't find evidence of notability. Adam9007 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 00:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Monstercat[edit]

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The article is an example of what Wikipedia is not - a directory. It is a fork of the unofficial 'Monstercat Document' and 'genre sheet' which are not relevant to this record label and does not accurately portray the label for what it is.

"The standard on Wikipedia, as I understand it, is that record labels generally don't have list articles of their entire back catalogs (there is not a Rhino Records discography article for instance), but should instead populate categories. In this case, it would be Category:Monstercat singles and Category:Monstercat albums." - Mendaliv, 2016. This still holds true. Prizyms (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was WP:BOLD redirect to International Literacy Association. (non-admin closure) ansh666 20:40, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Manitoba Reading Association[edit]

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Regional chapter of an international association. The chapter has appeerntly done little that is striking on its own -- in my view this just barely avoids an A7 speedy deletion. WP:BRANCH says: " As a general rule, the individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not considered notable enough to warrant a separate article – unless they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area." Of the five currently cited sources, three are pages of the chapter's own website, and two are passing mentions. A WP:BEFORE search using google, google news, google newspapers, google scholar, and google books found nothing better. Delete, or perhaps redirect to International Reading Association, unless sources clearly establishing notability of the chapter can be provided. DES (talk) 22:09, 2 June 2017 (UTC) DES (talk) 22:09, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. AustralianRupert (talk) 07:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eugene E. Jackson[edit]

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Eugene E. Jackson was an enlisted man with E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment during World War II. He fought in Normandy, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France (where he died of his wounds). He did not attain rank or receive awards to qualify him under WP:SOLDIER; his early death precludes notability under WP:GNG. His portrayal in Band of Brothers on TV is not as a major character. Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 22:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  20:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Wolfeld[edit]

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The subject of this article has not itself received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

And he works for Bernstein Medical, which has had its article deleted at AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernstein Medical.

And for Robert M. Bernstein, who has now three times had his article deleted. See here and most recently its G4 speedy deletion when it was recreated with the only difference being that the new editor wrote out the subject's middle name so it appeared as Robert Michael Bernstein. Very persistent. Looks like a gaming of the system.

The article was proded. But a fairly new editor removed the prod. 2604:2000:E016:A700:F993:BCA:C3F0:6EE6 (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article created in 2009 about proposed wind-power project in western Nebraska. According to a 2013 article, at that date there were no transmission lines and no plans to build any; the two developers who'd earlier expressed interest in the project had dropped out. A 2014 article in the Omaha World-Herald lists a Banner County project as one that "may be built", but says that wind-power growth in the state was slowing. The only more recent things I've found have been echoes of this WP article. Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Ammodramus (talk) 21:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2015 AMF Futsal Men's World Cup squads[edit]

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None of the players are notable, list is incomplete and the event has questionable notability. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MacArthur Commons[edit]

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Seems like a WP:PROMO for an unfinished land-development project. The article doesn't establish notability of the subject outside of simply being a land-development project in Oakland, CA. If there was something notable about construction, or additional secondary coverage of the project, maybe it would deserve a page. But as it stands, I think this fails WP:GNG. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 20:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is that there are not currently sufficient sources for an article, but it may be recreated if more are found.  Sandstein  09:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Odiyan[edit]

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The article was PRODded for several days, and has no sources, but I am still hesitant to delete it without a community discussion. The terms Odiyan, or odi vidya (which seems to be equivalent) provide quite some search results, but I can not find any reliable sources. May be users more familiar with Indian topics could help. Ymblanter (talk) 07:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. SoWhy 10:57, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

María Almenta[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and subsequently WP:GNG. Non notable BLP article about model. scope_creep (talk) 00:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC) Fails WP:BIO Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Iced Earth (album)[edit]

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Fails WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG no references and my Google search found only one WP:RS: http://www.allmusic.com/album/iced-earth-reissue-mw0000675161. I found http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-reckoning-ep-mw0000326194 but it has no review (just a database entry) and http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iced-earth-the-reckoning-single-to-surface-in-early-october/ (which is a user review) Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:08, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Feed the Machine. Limited merge -- don't include the table of dates and cities -- RoySmith (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Feed the Machine Tour[edit]

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Non notable tour, PROD rejected Jax 0677 (talk) 22:50, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Reply - I would also be on board with a redirect (or a merge). --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

British Columbia Conservatory of Music[edit]

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Subject is a music school for which I am unable to locate in depth coverage in reliable sources. Subject does not meet WP:GNG. Google search revealed such hits as: 4 square, face book, yelp, and local directories. There were hits for "Royal Conservatory of Music", but that is a different entity. Some performers listed subject among venues in tours and CV's. There are Google books hits for books credited to subject, and some books that include subject in lists. There is no substantial coverage. WP:Gale search was also unavailing through my library. Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bedowyn[edit]

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No evidence of any notability. Not a single independent reference produced. Searches yield nothing of worth other than social media and self promotion and directory listing, Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   10:29, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Oppenheim[edit]

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This attorney does not appear to meet notability requirements. The closest thing to claims of notability are that he was "part of the team that took the MGM Studios, Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd. case to the Supreme Court" and was involved in Sony BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum.

A look at the Supreme Court opinion in the Grokster case shows that he was not the lead attorney; the lead attorney was Donald B. Verrilli. Oppenheim was just one of the team of eighteen lawyers who contributed to the brief.

A look at the First Circuit opinion in the Tenenbaum case shows that he wasn't lead counsel in that case, either; that was Paul D. Clement. Again, Oppenheim was one of six lawyers on the brief. The Tenenbaum could be a reference to the district court portion of the case, rather than the appeal, which is much less notable, at least from a legal point of view (generally, district courts don't set precedents, especially where the court's finding is appealed, as here; opinions in appeals do), but if so, that's unsourced and difficult to verify, and in any event doesn't amount to notability anyway. (The text of the article suggests he may have had more involvement at the district court proceeding; but somewhat confusingly, the link is to the article on the appeal rather than to the article on the district court proceeding.)

The article has no references, as such. It does have two external links, though: Copyright Conundrum and [1]. If considered references, these might save this from WP:BLPPROD; but both are dead links. TJRC (talk) 21:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Uncontested deletion request. Can be userfied, etc. on request.  Sandstein  09:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Happiness in children[edit]

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More essay than article, not sure how it can stand as a stand alone topic when it seems to be a synthesis of sources. Dennis Brown - 17:00, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  20:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yōhei Tadano[edit]

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Non-notable voice actor, listed as a main supporting in Hime-sama Goyojin, and supporting character Shigemori Sumimura in Kekkaishi, that is not enough to meet WP:ENT. Everything else is minor/guest characters galore. No news articles in ANN. Seems to have some coverage in JA wikipedia, but not referenced very well. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:47, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not from looking at ANN [2] which usually highlights starring or supporting roles. From that list you can see they're mainly episodics. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 13:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Are there any sources to back that up? I'm not talking just a cast announcement, but anything to show that this voice would meet WP:GNG? Also Yoda's role in Force Awakens was a cameo / bit part. [3] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:48, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nils Ohlsen[edit]

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This page does not meet the notability guidelines for biographies, and does not cite any reliable references for its information. My online searches have revealed no new sources or information that would resolve these issues. Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:05, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Done with artnet. Going to try and find a German speaking member of WP:Museums. StarM 01:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The artnet ref has the same content as a webpage of the Neue Galerie. Not a WP:IS Mduvekot (talk) 02:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I found this though. That's from the dpa, the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, which is a solid source. Mduvekot (talk) 02:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And this and this. But even with those sources I still can't figure out what his title is. Curator is not wrong, so perhaps go with that. Mduvekot (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Director has too many meanings in English, let alone when someone is trying to write this in the context of translating German and Norwegian museum duties to an English speaking audience. I think that Director may be akin to a senior curatorial role, but not director as in Executive and/or member of the museum's board of directors. Thanks for catch re: artnet, hadn't noticed that it was likely a reprint of a press release. WorldCat has some of his books so we can verify their existence, but nothing of note in them. StarM
The dpa source mentions him taking the job. The taz one is a portrait of him (weird that I didn't find it) as the new curator of the part of the national gallery that contains art from the romanticism to 1950. The third ref mentions him only in passing in the context of a Munch exhibit. Regards SoWhy 10:55, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 19:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aldrin O. Soriano[edit]

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WP:BLP of a municipal councillor, in a city not large enough to confer notability on its city councillors under WP:NPOL. This has significant overtones of résumé (as opposed to encyclopedic) presentation, and is referenced almost entirely to primary sources that cannot assist in demonstrating notability with very little evidence of reliable source coverage provided. As always, municipal councillors are not automatically accepted as notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they exist; they must be demonstrated and sourced as significantly more notable than the norm for their role for a Wikipedia article to become earned, but nothing here demonstrates or sources that. Bearcat (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I notified the user about possible COI, see here.-TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 06:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, if the author is paid, they should edit professionally to conform to Wikipedia style. Boldface the topic in the lead sentence, and section headings in sentence case, per MOS:SECTION. Invalid use of DISPLAYTITLE, too. wbm1058 (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Earth Water[edit]

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No evidence of notability for a company that seems to have had an article for a while yet garnered no reliable sources. Looks like just another bottled water company, albeit it one with a philanthropic heart. Regrettably philanthropy doesn't get you notability on Wikipedia. Would have been a potential candidate for speedy deletion but there have been many editors in its life. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   19:24, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • NoteThe references for the philanthropy are all dead and the company makes no mention of such beneficence on its web-site. I think that it is fair to assume that this was a marketing ploy - perhaps to gain notability here.  Velella  Velella Talk   15:40, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Should future events unfold and sources appear to establish WP:N, this can be created, and the existing text restored for a starting point. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kanishk Sajnani[edit]

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Appear to be a case of WP:BLP1E, the subject also lacks "significant independent coverage" in reliable sources and therefore fails the general notability guideline. GSS (talk|c|em) 18:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The subject may be covered in a Single event but his contributions made to cyber security are quiet notable. Chances are, he'll be back in the news soon. If this article gets deleted, the editor may have to go through the pain of writing the whole thing again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayeshna3194 (talkcontribs) 11:22, 3 June 2017 (UTC) Ayeshna3194 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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The result was delete. Per WP:BLOWITUP Dennis Brown - 20:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Adamescu[edit]

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this article would require a total rewrite to be acceptable. it is much too detailed and is clearly an advocacy article. Fails WP:NOTADVOCATE Domdeparis (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. To delete, but consensus that, if at all, this should be covered together with Draft:HESS J1857+0263.  Sandstein  09:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PSR J1856+0245[edit]

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As far as I can tell, this fails WP:NASTCRIT, because other than what's in the article the only other related article I can find is doi:10.1051/0004-6361/201118685, which is really more about HESS J1857+026. Primefac (talk) 16:46, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I found a few of those, but the issue is (per CRIT #3) it's being mentioned as part of a general survey of 35 or 200 sources. Primefac (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's a whole detailed paper about this pulsar that can be found with the following link: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1086/590908/fulltext/22902.text.html
I made this article because there is a lot of information about this pulsar, which is young, energetic, and somewhat unique. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CooperScience (talkcontribs) 04:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So what we really need is an article about HESS J1857+0263? Lithopsian (talk) 09:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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you're probably right--I forgot. It should be retitled for now at least. DGG ( talk ) 20:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Get Weird. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 16:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Grown (Little Mix Song)[edit]

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Song is not notable; does not have significant coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:NSONGS. All content in this page is already in the main Get Weird album article, save for an unnotable one-line review that is just part of a track-by-track album review. Title has inappropriate capitalisation that does not follow WP:MOS, and there is already a Grown (Little Mix song) redirect page, hence this page is not useful as a redirect either. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Redirect per the arguments already made above and per the nominator. I do not believe the above sources that I provided support that this has enough notability for a separate article. Aoba47 (talk) 20:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to The Aunty Jack Show. After the merge, redirect for the reasons outlined by SpinningSpark -- RoySmith (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Channel Nine Show[edit]

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Followup to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aunty Jack's Travelling Show: these are five more episodes of the same series which were created after that discussion was initiated, but did not get caught or bundled into the original batch in time. But they're still subject to the same problems as the first set: they offer no substance or sourcing to demonstrate the standalone notability of each episode, and are referenced entirely to episode guides and IMDb, rather than reliable source media coverage about the episodes. As always, every individual episode of a TV series is not granted an automatic presumption of standalone notability as a separate topic -- you need to show quite a lot more real-world context about the episode to get it over the bar, not just a basic plot summary. Many TV programs only have one or two episodes that actually warrant standalone articles separately from the series as a whole, and many more than that have none. What's required to get an episode over the bar in its own right is reliable source coverage that's specifically about that episode itself -- but none is being shown for any of these. Bearcat (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The vast majority of television shows do not have separate articles about each individual episode. What determines whether that gets to happen or not is whether enough reliable sources cover the episode in enough depth to give it context for why a separate article is needed — mere plot summaries and cast lists simply do not cut it. The Puppy Episode of Ellen, for example, is the only episode of its entire series that actually has (or ever will have) its own standalone article — and it qualified for one not because it existed, but because it's been extensively analyzed by reliable sources as one of the most overarchingly important moments in the entire history of LGBT representation in media. The standard that a television episode has to meet to qualify for a separate article is "noteworthy and substantive context", not "IMDb verifies that it existed". Yes, there are a few shows (Seinfeld and The Simpsons are two examples; Star Trek is another one) that have been so extensively written about by reliable sources that almost every episode can actually support a standalone article — but that's not a treatment that any show automatically gets just because of one user's subjective assertions of importance, it's a treatment that reliable source coverage about the episodes has to be there to support. Bearcat (talk) 14:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. There seems to be agreement that the (now much-expanded) content about this museum item should be kept, but it's not yet clear whether it should be merged somewhere or otherwise made part of a broader article. These discussions can continue outside of this AfD.  Sandstein  09:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Caftan (Metropolitan Museum of Art)[edit]

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No evidence that this individual object is notable - sources provided are from the museum which holds it. Wikipedia cannot hold descriptions of every museum collection item in the world. PROD was contested by the Wikimedian in Residence at the Museum. PamD 17:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

i agree we need a high bar for notibility on costume items in museums, but I believe this item may qualify if the article is expanded. Can you give me a few days to collect some research? - PKM (talk) 17:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
AfD discussion normally lasts at least a week. I can see the argument that a museum object can be notable in the same way as an individual painting in a gallery - but as you say there needs to be quite a high bar so that we don't get every museum catalogue dumped into the encyclopedia. Good luck in finding some independent sources to support this garment's notability. PamD 17:54, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have expanded the article significantly, and added references and many wikilinks. Let me know how you feel about these changes. -PKM (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • @Mabalu:. Did you notice sourcing is entirely PRIMARY, to journals published by the Met (and 2 cites sourcing info about the type, not the specific object). Would you consider supporting a redirect to a new article about archaeologically discovered textiles or garments along the silk road? (you would know how to phrase/delimit such an articls better than I.) Because, as you say, keeping articles about objects sources exclusively to the museum that owns them is a highly problematic precedent to set.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Replying to the abobe: I'm not really bothered about primary sourcing in cases such as this, because major museums are usually really reliable sources even if technically there is a conflict of interest. They're not trying to sell a viewpoint or sell their stuff, they just want to share their research and findings and more-than-usually-informed interpretations of objects they have, from an expert's point of view. So no, in this circumstance, the COI doesn't really bother me. Mabalu (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On the naming question, drawing from examples in a different medium, one could include the accession number., as in Neck Amphora by Exekias (Berlin F 1720). The new title could be Caftan (Metropolitan Museum of Art 1996.78.1) or Caftan from Caucasus region (Metropolitan Museum of Art 1996.78.1). 24.151.10.165 (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Vases are often referred to in this way, like manuscripts; generally catalogue/accession numbers are best avoided in titles, as no-one even in the field will recognize them. Johnbod (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that the article could gave a stronger name. Thinking about what it should be called .... - PKM (talk) 02:42, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The sources are not WP:PRIMARY at all, but they do lack full independence. However, this is normal in articles on museum objects, where the best sources are very often provided by the museum, although often only as publisher, with the authors outside experts. There is no precedent being set here; instead the normal practice is being followed. In the case of very large and reputable museums like the MMA, the community is rightly ready to accept that good scholarly standards are being followed. Johnbod (talk) 15:07, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The articles cited are scholarly, but they are published in the journal of the Museum that owns the object. Notability needs to be supported by sources that are independent of the Metropolitan Museum.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, they don't. That's what I'm saying. Btw, Knauer at least does not seem to have been a museum employee. Johnbod (talk) 15:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Johnblod, you are aware that the Met Journal commissions such articles, not for pay, rather, the Museum invites scholarly experts to come to the museum in order to examine a specific object and write it up for the journal? All perfectly scholarly and legit, just not independent.(private but widely understood info among museum professionals; no I don't have a source for this assertion. I just know how this journal works.)E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course. And I am aware of the standards WP normally applies for such articles. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is a conflict of interest, but COI's can be managed, and the MMA's standards, like those of other major museums, are such that it can reasonably be assumed that they have been. If there was a decent name to use as a search term it is very possible other sources would turn up. There may well be ones in Russian, but that's little help to most of us. Johnbod (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suspend WP:GNG for "objects of antiquity". I paraphrase Lockley and most of the editors above.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's accept, at least prima facie, the "independence" or ability to manage COI of major museums. In fact we do this all all the time, for example for all types of information put out by government-run or financed organizations. It's a great mistake to prefer, as many editors do, garbled summaries of the same information scribbled down by "independent" journalists. Johnbod (talk) 13:44, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also prefer the scholarship of scholars, including scholars employed or commissioned to evaluate artifacts by museums. However, we absolutely require WP:INDEPENDENT sources to establish notability.as I and others suggest above, this material can be WP:PRESERVED by merged this to a broader topic with INDEPENDENT sourcing in re: notability..E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree. Saying independence is required as you did further above and repeat here, does fit with what WP:IS says, but every time that essay says that, it refers to WP:RS, and to me the MET Museum Journal is a reliable source. I guess my argument is based on WP:RS and WP:SCHOLARSHIP. The article doesn't violate, for example, WP:USESPS, and is more or less a secondary source based on WP:PSTS/WP:USEPRIMARY. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The independence issue has been extensively addressed above, it's just there is not agreement on the matter. Several people are "questioning the garment's importance" - what exactly is the difference between notability and importance? To say "If it was of wider importance to other scholars, we would have more sources about the garment from other publications" - by which you effectively mean more publications available online in English - shows a misplaced faith, in particular given that the garment only reached the market in 1994, and that in this obscure field most publications are in Russian and German, like the large books on textile finds from this site by Ierusalimskaja, which no one involved in the debate has seen (in Russian and German). I don't see how "most of the article is about the general use of the caftan" at all, and this article would unbalance a shortish article about this very broad term, which is unspecific, not to say vague, like "robe" or "coat" in European clothing. Johnbod (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Discussed, not addressed. If there is some litany of Russian/German sources that address the garment in detail, they are not mentioned in the article. All the other sources are affiliated with the Met, the organization that also holds the garment, making it (and those those articles) non-independent. If the article was on the burial or series of findings there, source independence would not be an issue. czar 20:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just point out that the Met Jornal appears once a year, with 12-14 articles. The museum contains over 2 million objects, so most will have to wait millennia for their turn. Yet this object has had three different articles. Johnbod (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly the best merge/repurpose proposal, though I'd be interested to see how the current nom will do at closing. Johnbod (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I'd prefer to keep as a standalone article, with a possible more descriptive rename to North Caucasus caftan (Metropolitan Museum of Art) (especially as the link to Moshchevaja Balka is based on a very educated scholarly deduction and not a documented chain of custody to an excavation). - PKM (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, Moshchevaja Balka burial allows wider information, but who exactly is the "us" who's going to write it? Johnbod (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I interrupt this discussion to Note that museums do in fact covet "promotional value from specialist articles in a scholarly journal with small circulation." Museums are not so unlike other institutions. They can fail (see Category:Defunct art museums and galleries), even major art museums in wealthy cities can fail (see:Corcoran Gallery of Art, not to mention the Met's current, massive financial problems. Museums compete for scholarly prestige not least because it attracts loans, curators, visiting scholars and, most of all, donors of both cash and artifacts. Note moreover that this article was promoted and (deprodded) by the Wikimedian in Residence at the Met who ought at that moment to have insisted that it either find an WP:INDEPENDENT source or be included within a topic that has secondary sourcing. A small slip by someone who contributes a lot to the project, but surely an indication of the ease with which great institutions and the Wikipedians associated with them can too easily regard themselves as above the rules that apply to lesser mortals. It is problematic to have a "Wikipedian in residence" at a museum arguing to "keep" [11] an article sourced solely to a journal published by that museum. Would we feel differently about a single-artifact article sole sourced to articles in The Journal of Decorative and Propaganda Arts, a highly regarded publication of the highly regarded - but small - Wolfsonian-FIU? WP:INDEPENDENT is an important rule. We need to apply it here.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am the Wikimedian in Residence at the museum, and I had deprodded it, because I felt it deserved a full AfD discussion, but have abstained from a "keep" or "delete" here. FWIW, I think this is a general issue of sourcing to museum journals, and that principles should be applied uniformly, not just to the larger ones.--Pharos (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that a PROD was too aggressive. Certainly WP:PRESERVE this well-sourced material. But can you specify what principles should apply to museum journals?E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)(I never miss visiting the Wolfsonian when I'm in South Beach, and certainly regard The Journal of Decorative and Propaganda Arts, as a WP:RS. But I do not think we should WP:IAR and keep any article single sourced to the journal of the museum that holds it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I maintain that WP:IAR applies here. WP:INDEPENDENT is an important rule, but applying it pedantically here would be a net loss for the encyclopaedia. Does anyone actually think there is something wrong with the material in the article cited to the Met's journal? – Joe (talk) 11:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I believe we're here to consider whether the article should be deleted. Keeping it in its current form is a viable option – one which so far the majority of editors have supported. Please don't try to restrict the discussion to your preferred outcomes, E.M.Gregory. – Joe (talk) 11:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • No one is trying to delete it. Only to avoid the precedent that would be set by keeping an article about an object sourced solely to an organ of the museum that owns it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in some form (!vote of nominator): On consideration of the arguments above, I think that the museum's journal, while not strictly "independent", is a valid source: the museum's own regard for its reputation will ensure that only quality scholarly papers are published in it. I have concerns about the article title, but the object is almost certainly "notable" and merits coverage in our encyclopedia - whether as this stand-alone article or as a section of Moshchevaja Balka burial site or similar. PamD 22:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. SoWhy 10:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RDX (Band)[edit]

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Refs are mostly to a PR / SEO firm. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Waging War (album)[edit]

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not notable, no sources, just a tracklist Seraphim System (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. WP:G5 NeilN talk to me 13:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eian Beron[edit]

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Completely non-notable individual with no actual coverage in RS. Google news gives exactly 3 hits and the sources included in the article aren't exactly coverage. In fact, the supposed coverage are links to his copyright infringing video on YouTube with a measly 90k hits. Most of the sources fail to even mention him and if they do it's in passing. And according to his iMDB page, I'd hardly say any of that work would qualify under WP:NACTOR. Fails GNG. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 10:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Skye Bennett[edit]

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Non notable actress, Planned to source it however.... there isn't any sources! - Can't find any evidence of notability on Google, Fails NACTOR as well as GNG –Davey2010Talk 13:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:34, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CoSpaces[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG Kleuske (talk) 11:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  09:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Crimean chamber[edit]

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Non-notable newspaper with zero references. I did a quick Google search to see what coverage, if any, the subject had, and wasn't able to find any to establish notability. Meatsgains (talk) 12:51, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This is the only Ukrainian-language newspaper of Crimea. Its archive placed on Wikimedia Commons. On Google search result gives a transliteration Krymska svitlytsia --Jbuket (talk) 13:06, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conquest (band)[edit]

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Don't think that there is anything here to suggest notability. TheLongTone (talk) 13:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There's no basis in policy for the argument that all religious groups are automatically notable.  Sandstein  09:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most Holy Church of God in Christ Jesus[edit]

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It appears that nothing on this page can be verified through reliable sources. Several references did exist, but for various reasons (spam, broken links, irrelevance to the text of the article, self-publishing) not a single one went to a reliable source. I performed the basic searches looking for usable sources but didn't find any. In particular, this organization does not appear to exist on JSTOR or Google News at all, and everything else I've found is only a passing mention. I'm new to this process, so let me know if there's some other information I should be giving or a step that I'm missing. Alephb (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator here. I would have no objections to an article on this subject, but if we can't come up with anything we can source, I'd imagine we have to delete the article and wait until third-party reliable sources start covering it. Alephb (talk) 00:10, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any special exception granted to religious denominations that automatically gives them an article outside the normal notability criteria. In fact, WP:ORGSIG claims that all kinds of organizations are held to the same standard. "No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists (see 'If it's not notable', below). 'Notability' is not synonymous with 'fame' or 'importance.' No matter how 'important' editors may personally believe an organization to be, it should not have a stand-alone article in Wikipedia unless reliable sources independent of the organization have discussed it." And I don't think we keep an article on the chance that it might be discussed in reliable sources no editor has managed to find yet. WP:PROVEIT places the burden of proof (finding reliable sources) on whoever is arguing for inclusion. The default position, until sources are found, is the removal of the unsourced material. Alephb (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete, salt and block the creator. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stagger (film)[edit]

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Non-notable film, only sources I can find are IMDb and websites offering free streaming. Primefac (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep and move (rename) to Mrs. Coverlet series. Nomination withdrawn with no delete !votes present, and rough consensus is to use the word "series" in the title of the article. North America1000 08:19, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs. Coverlet's Magicians[edit]

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Fails WP:BKCRIT Killer Moff (talk) 13:06, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right, as I said, I hesitated before creating the page, precisely for that reason. It's up to you, masters of the Wikiverse. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 14:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Dear User:E.M.Gregory, Thank you for your support and kind words, but, I did some internet searching when I first created the page, and did not find satisfactory good-seeming sources, which is why I hesitated to create the page, almost scrapped the idea, and expressed my doubts on the TALK page about whether the page should survive scrutiny. PLEASE post REFERENCES to the "sourcing out there", if you have time, that would resolve the whole debate. Thank you very much! HandsomeMrToad (talk) 04:08, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: Oh, I see, now there are references to FOUR articles from NY Times, and one from Boston Globe, and one from NY Herald Tribune. That should pretty gosh-darn well put the "notability" question to rest! Thanks.
From WP:BKCRIT:

"A book is notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria: 1. The book has been the subject[1] of two or more non-trivial[2] published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself.[3] This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists,[4] and reviews."

Best wishes, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, certainly the books as a group are notable. If anyone is dissatisfied, I can expand and improve the sourcing. User:HandsomeMrToad, any thoughts about a new title?E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:25, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Roseohioresident (talk) 00:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How about "Mrs. Coverlet TRILOGY"? HandsomeMrToad (talk) 08:56, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also prefer series. There is no indication that it was planed as a trilogy, but, rather, every indication that it was the more usual sequence of events in which a novel is so successful and it's characters are so popular that the author writes a second book about them, then a third, and, in this case, happens for whatever reason to stop at three.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Series" or "Trilogy", either works for me. But, plenty of trilogies were not originally planned as trilogies, including, perhaps most famously, Isaac Asimov's Foundation trilogy. (I'm pretty sure that Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea trilogy wasn't planned either. And, I seem to recall reading that The Ring of the Nibelung--a trilogy with a prelude--was not originally planned as a trilogy, but involved into one in reverse order, as Wagner kept wanting to provide background information, and then background for the background. I don't know about the Orestia, or about Beaumarchais' Figaro-trilogy.) HandsomeMrToad (talk) 15:39, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Huff[edit]

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WP:FRINGEBLP of an investigator. Every last one of the references goes to either WP:SELFPUB websites of true believers or self-promotion. None of the claims in the article is backed up by independent sourcing and it is likely that we have either WP:SOAP issues or perhaps a poorly-executed article produced for pay. Once people who are not "paranormal investigators" notice this fellow, he can rise to the WP:BIO threshold, but as of now this seems an obvious delete. jps (talk) 10:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I am thinking we can go for a speedy delete.Slatersteven (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SNOW ? — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 11:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello hello -- I was thinking: "Steve Huff? Sounds familiar. But this bloke doesn't sound familiar at all." Let's take a look. The article starts:

Steve Huff is an American photographer. . . .

The reference for that is: <ref>((cite web|author=Name * |url=https://shotkit.com/steve-huff/ |title=Steve Huff's Camera Gear Exposed |publisher=Shotkit.com |date= |accessdate=2017-06-01))</ref>.

The Wikipedia article we're discussing tells us that Huff's website is www.huffparanormal.com. However, the "Shotkit" page cited in the very first sentence says:

My name is Steve Huff and I run and own SteveHuffPhoto, a camera and lens review site that I started 5 years ago as a way to provide real world use results of cameras and lenses.

SteveHuffPhoto has a page titled "so who am I"; its content isn't strangely capitalized, it doesn't mention the string "paranormal", and a skimread -- it's rather long -- doesn't show any fringe beliefs or activities.

Huffparanormal.com has an "about me" page that once, obscurely, mentions camera reviews but mostly bumbles on (with Lots of Capitals) about the paranormal.

What evidence is there that the Huff of huffparanormal.com and the Huff of stevehuffphoto.com are the same person? -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Huff Photo/Steve Huff Paranormal. Also C2CAM. Same guy. - LuckyLouie (talk) 11:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Good work, LuckyLouie. Well, Huff is less a photographer than a writer about photographic gear. As the latter, he's not negligible, but I struggle to see [WP-defined] notability. -- Hoary (talk) 13:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Samira Khan Mahi[edit]

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No evidence of any notability. Refs are a blog, a passing mention and a vanity piece. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   09:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

George Turner (journalist)[edit]

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Other than candidature in the upcoming election, subject of article has little claim to notability - the organisation he works for is largely unknown and does not have a Wikipedia article itself. RaviC (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first contribution to a talk page, so hopefully I'm doing it right - but I'll disagree here. What's your definition of "largely unknown"? Do you just mean that you haven't heard of it? Otherwise, Turner is primarily notable for his legal battle against Shell. However, in addition, Kate Hoey MP has made him further notable by trying to remove him from a photograph - this is an elected MP performing Photoshop on a rival for political gain. In my opinion, she's nominated him herself for notability! Additional note: Further reading shows that Deryk_Chan has already rejected a deletion request over this from RaviC in the past week. Shakeheartbreak (talk) 13:41, 23 May 2017 (PST)

"Otherwise, Turner is primarily notable for his legal battle against Shell"
--- Please read WP:EVENT
"However, in addition, Kate Hoey MP has made him further notable by trying to remove him from a photograph".
--- This does not qualify him for an article in any way.
"Deryk_Chan has already rejected a deletion request"
--- That was a WP:PROD, please refer to that page to learn more. This is an AfD.
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I agree to delete. Little notability. MB190417 (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Several reasons, also affirmed in talk page:

In all, therefore, delete. If Turner wins, recreate the page. But there is no precedent to have a page on a losing candidate that is not notable for reasons other than their candidacy, however much media attention the campaign has garnered. I am all in favour of the essentials of the article being put into the Vauxhall constituency page. Matt 190417 (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional Delete: This article doesn't meet notability criteria for the reasons above, but might meet them in two days if he is elected (which would merit a speedy keep in my opinion). I think the decision should be postponed until then to avoid having to recreate the article just hours after deleting it. The content of the page should be reviewed separately in the event of a keep because I am not satisfied that the content stems from a neutral point of view. Maswimelleu (talk) 20:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is now the case Matt 190417 (talk) 08:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Khashayar Farzam[edit]

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Non-notable individual. Article appears to be promotional in intent. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that there may be a sock farm involved in the editing of this article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Szilvia Varga / Silvia Vargová (actress)[edit]

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No eevidence of notability for this actor despite an enormously long list of parts, mostly in the thatre. Seems to be a jobbing actor who has never achieved any significant notice. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   14:13, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

At'son[edit]

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The article lacks notability WP:BAND as it is built on Nuru's references quoting as self. Also, the existing references are invalid (two iTunes store links, one article that doesn't have artist name). Entire article is around WP:SOAPBOX/ WP:ADVERT Devopam (talk) 13:04, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Palisades Media Arts Academy[edit]

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Organization has shut down. Was local in nature, only had 30 students, not notable https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/07/02/janefinch_palisades_music_program_closes_amid_union_battle.html Rogermx (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Adventure capital[edit]

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Not notable. The only usage of the term I could find (with this meaning) is in the single reference. This is my first AfD (and first use of Twinkle) so excuse me if I've missed something. Erik.Bjareholt (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Schon Properties. Redirecting seems the logical conclusion based on the discussion. Dennis Brown - 20:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Danial Schon[edit]

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fails WP:GNG.. cited sources only namechecking the subject. couldn't find source which can demonstrate the notability of the subject . Saqib (talk) 07:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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name checks. --Saqib (talk) 09:30, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:17, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Salman Paras[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. cited sources are unreliable. Saqib (talk) 07:24, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 08:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ENZO (Singer)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO: No significant coverage in independent, reliable sources that are independent of the subject. A list of Youtube videos won't help to establish notability. GSS (talk|c|em) 14:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Into the Woods (band)[edit]

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They do not meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Lack of reliable sources. Boleyn (talk) 15:38, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Deleted as a blatant hoax. DES (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bronwyn Manchez[edit]

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No sources, no claim of notability. The only web content I can find about this person are Wikipedia mirrors. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 07:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Tianjin Health Industry Park – Doubles[edit]

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Also nominating the following related page because [it is interconnected as a sub page of the 2014 Tianjin Health Industry Park tennis event]:

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One of probably hundreds of articles on the non notable doubles event from barely notable challenger tour tennis tournaments. These are small tennis tournaments (total prize money for the tournament $50,000, of which only a smaller part goes to the doubles). According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines#Notability, every challenger tournament is notable: but that is an essay, and doesn't make it clear that the separate sections of the tournament are notable as well. Looking at 2014 ATP Challenger Tour makes it clear that usually, there are two to six of these tournaments every single week, which now all get three articles (a main one, and separate ones for singles and doubles).

In general, the coverage for these double events is minimal, the players are mostly barely known. The winner will be announced in one or two newspapers, and that's it. Most Google hits are automated listings from betting sites.

In this particular event, the winners had a career highest doubles ranking of 339 (Kern) and 220 (Ouanna), so even in the world of doubles tennis these are barely notable small fish (Ouanna had a fairly good career as a singles player though). Everything that needs to be said about this doubles tournament is already in 2014 Tianjin Health Industry Park, a separate article for this non notable sub-event is overkill. Fram (talk) 06:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Notability should be determined by the sources, not by a WikiProject. Doubles gets much less attention than singles does in the reliable sources, no matter what way we turn it, so treating both types of competition at par is wrong as it is at direct odds with the sources.Tvx1 22:38, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That has never totally been the case. With so many items we would be here a month of Sundays arguing on the edge about notability. In fact they were 10-15 years ago until project guidelines were set up. We take the items of a subject that are "usually" notable and simply say this group is notable. that is what happened with the professional ATP Challenger Tour events. There are more tournaments than on the ATP Tour, but less than what is on the professional ITF tournaments. What was never discussed was whether we should be making singles and doubles draws of these tournaments, and that answer should be no. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would say all coverage should be found on the seasonal article for the tournament. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Already relisted twice, the slight consensus is to keep. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 16:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse Cox[edit]

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Does not meet WP:BIO, article created after subject asked their fans to make it. "I want a Wikipedia page" Alizaa2 (talk) 22:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Batman in film#Christopher Nolan. czar 20:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Dark Knight Trilogy[edit]

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Should be redirected to the superior Batman in film article. WP:CONTENTFORK that should never have been created in the first place. Following the recent discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Batman (1989–1997 film series), same situation applies here. Rob Sinden (talk) 11:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There's enough independent coverage to have a standalone article on this topic, though it could use a lot of improvements. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - the Batman in Film article devotes about 1100 words to this trilogy. The nominated article is 1500 words (prose), and a significant portion of that (480 words) is devoted to home media. Another 300 words is about Batman: Gotham Knight and videogame tie-ins. That means the nominated article actually has less information on the three films than Batman in Film. The Gotham Knight material should be merged into Batman in Film (currently it has a one-line mention). The home media and video game information is already present on the individual movie pages. As an aside, the "Proposed Justice League film" section at BiF should be moved to the DC Extended Universe section. The text even makes clear that it's entirely unrelated to Nolan's work. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then we could try and get some of the information from Batman in film to insert into here. I still feel this is a topic notable enough for its own separate article: it's been widely covered by independent sources, and even today news stories about the movies will still pop up. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 16:22, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sure - there are articles like this one, for example, but there's no doubt this is a content fork. BiF is the parent topic over the Dark Knight Trilogy, and the BiF article is about 5300 words (readable prose, 5600 if the Gotham Knight section is merged). The lower range for a WP:SIZESPLIT is 6000 words. If you want to take it upon yourself to expand the DK part of BiF so a size split is warranted, I wouldn't oppose greatly reducing the BiF portion and adding a main article template. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per Argento Surfer. The subject is notable, and I'm sure there is some interesting scholarly analysis of the impact of the series that could be included but hasn't, but that also belongs to 'Batman in Film'. And while that article is getting long, it's also got some (what I consider to be) unnecessary detail that could be trimmed so it could focus on the film series as a whole. Scribolt (talk) 13:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There is a consensus that this producer does not meet the WP:GNG. Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:18, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sess (producer)[edit]

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Subject of the article fails WP:GNG & WP:INDEPTH as he has not recieved significant coverage in reliable press. Furthermore the few sources which discuss him all look like bare mentions as none really discuss him in details. Also it is imperative to review the awards he won (Two in number, as per article) as this Awards were issued to him by non-notable organization in Nigeria. A strong delete !vote is what i propose as this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Celestina007 (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong DeleteDelete: Promotional non-notable article. Most of the content are incorrect and the reliable references in the article make no mention of the artiste. The other award he won (supported by primary sources) isn't notable at all! Darreg (talk) 19:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Darreg How exactly is most of the content "incorrect"? And you should do a quick search on Google before you decide an award "isn't notable." And every reference listed is either to an interview about him or about his work. Keep MayowaGeorge (talk) 09:46, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MayowaGeorge Firstly, notability is based on significant coverage in reliable sources not Google hits even though that may be a pointer to it. I just spent the last few minutes doing research on this producer and I still think he isn't notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia atm. When we talk of reliable sources we are speaking of newspaper websites and web portals with editorial board. Most of the references you included, aren't reliable, However, I found some reliable sources on him from the internet, which you should consider adding to the article if you want it to be kept. I also did some finding on Beatz award and discovered only two editions has been held and even though there are reliable references that documents the award winners, the award ceremony in itself isn't notable or even weakly notable to confer notability on its winners. The factual accuracy of this article amongst other things was what prompted me to !vote for its deletion. You need a strong source to use words like "a multiple award winning music producer" (can you really call a Nigerian artiste a multiple award winning producer if he has not won/nom best producer for The Headies or Nigeria Entertainment Awards?), "He is a versatile producer, having produced beats across numerous genres such as Hip hop, Afrobeat, R&B, Afro House and more", "Sess began to draw attention and praise in the music industry for his creative beats", " He went on to produce 5 more songs for the album, including Soft Work, which is widely regarded as Falz's most commercially successful song", "Sess became one of the country's most sought-after young producers. ", "He's been particularly praised for his unique style of beat-making", "His collaborations with Falz continued to be successful in 2017". Many of these statements are both literally and factually incorrect. If you can clarify these words with reliable sources and add the reliable sources that are not included in the article I might just give you a weak keep. For now, my findings have prompted me to change to an ordinary delete. Darreg (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I just found out the the creator has WP:COI issues. He is a blogger for 360Nobs.—Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 22:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please what is the link between 360nobs and a music producer, Sess? Correct me if I'm wrong but 360nobs is an entertainment site, the author of this article is a music producer. Does that automatically mean there is a COI, or is there something I'm missing? So if I write for Complete Sports, does that mean COI applies to me if I want to create Enyimba F.C. article? Or if I'm a writer for Hollywood Reporter, does that mean I can't create articles for Hollywood actors. Please don't take this wrongly, this is an honest question. The tone of the article is promotional but I didn't think it was because of COI reasons. Darreg (talk) 00:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Man you should Google the search words "Wana 360nobs" and "Mayowa George", you'll find a common link to 360Nobs. What I'm trynna point out is that as a music blogger, he might know Sess personally hence the COI suspicion. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 07:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For the sake of not going off-topic, this will be my final reply on the COI issue. I have Googled him, and I still think if he edited a 360nob wiki article, or it is established that 360nob is somehow connected to Sess or anything that concerns his career, then I will agree that a COI exist. He even writes on variety of topics, not just music. So I still maintain my earlier assertion.
I'm an advocate of Wikipedians writing on topics they are knowledgeable about. That is how we can have quality articles on WP. I know how unfortunate it can get when I engage in a content dispute with an editor with little or no knowledge in my area of specialization. Especially when such editor is a newbie or an oldie that isn't properly grounded in WP policies.Darreg (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Oluwa2Chainz If he does not have significant coverage in reliable media, it simply is too soon for him to own a stand alone article on the encylopedia.
This record producer; Don Jazzy seems to be a Nigerian record producer with well furnished reliable sources in his article. I'm sorry but double standards and special treatment isn't a feature of wikipedia editing. A strong delete !vote! is still best applicable.Celestina007 (talk) 6:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Remember the Name. While Jc86035's concern regarding this redirect is warranted, the limited consensus is to redirect this page there. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 15:59, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Petrified/Remember the Name[edit]

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"Remember the Name" already has its own article, and most of this article is about "Remember the Name" and not about "Petrified". The standalone article for "Petrified" was not AfDed but seems to have been redirected here for not being notable enough. Jc86035 (talk) Use ((re|Jc86035))
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 09:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John R Norris[edit]

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Contested prod. I don't believe there is anything notable in his resume - minster counselor and chief of staff are not exactly notable positions As a candidate he fails WP:NPOL until he is elected Gbawden (talk) 14:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 07:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Puaz[edit]

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Non-notable musician. A search for reliable sources turned nothing up, just social media accounts. References used in the article are blogs and what looks to be a poorly-run tabloid with copy paste information from the blog. SorryNotSorry 14:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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- Kindly recheck the page again and see if it has meet the standards of wikipedia as i have added few links that indicate this is an artist.Randyjoel (talk) 12:20, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The link to an itunes page is not an indication of notability, and I suspect the same would apply to the Sound Cloud page, had that link worked. You need reliable sources to show that he is a notable person. Stephen! Coming... 16:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. czar 07:01, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bobbi Eden[edit]

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Publicity stunts and minor awards do not meet gng and/or pornbio. Spartaz Humbug! 16:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There really isn't any merge potential, since they are already included in that list now. I take that to mean a stand alone article isn't warranted. Redirecting to the list which only gives the name doesn't make sense since there is no content at the destination and isn't supported by consensus. The two keep votes are utterly unconvincing and not based in policy, so delete is the only option. Dennis Brown - 20:12, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overturned to keep per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 June 10. Valoem talk contrib 16:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Stagg[edit]

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What does it take to make a character notable? This one is mentioned in some books, but those books are all auction/directory/encyclopedic books which are of dubious quality and reliability or devote nothing more than a sentence to our character. This is the best I could find, and it's nothing. We like to say that mere existence is not enough for notability, and that should certainly apply to mere fictional existence. Note also that this article has no secondary sourcing whatsoever and as such cannot pass the GNG; Drmies (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The proposed merge target is currently a bulleted list of names, but this entry could be done in a way that mirrors List of Marvel Comics characters: A and start the process of improving the DC side of things. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Youd. Pretty clear consensus, particularly since it has already been merged. Dennis Brown - 20:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eaude[edit]

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These are largely unsourced and possibly contains original research. Not a notable name per WP:APONOTE as there are not at least two notable people with the name. -- Tavix (talk) 22:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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On second thought, it is all Original Research plus the same text is already on the other pages so nothing to merge (as per K.e.coffman, below), and we should WP:TNT or stubbify the others to purge them of OR. Agricolae (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 09:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John Waldron, Teacher[edit]

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WP:BLP, written like a résumé rather than an encyclopedia article, about a person with no genuinely strong claim of notability and not enough reliable source coverage to support it. Winning a local "teacher of the year" award does not make someone notable, and neither does being a non-winning candidate for election to a legislature — so the only potential notability claim here is that he was president of the United Nations Association, but even that is just asserted and not sourced or substanced. (Presidents of organizations, even notable ones, do not get an automatic notability freebie as a separate topic just because they existed — they get articles if and when they pass WP:GNG on the strength of reliable source coverage about their work in that role.) The only reference present here at all is a newspaper endorsement from the state senate election he didn't win, which is not enough coverage to claim GNG in the absence of actually passing of any subject-specific inclusion criterion. Everybody who was ever a candidate in any election anywhere could always show one media source to verify the fact, so election coverage falls under WP:ROUTINE and does not assist notability unless they win the seat in the end. There's simply nowhere near enough substance or sourcing here to hang an article on. Bearcat (talk) 05:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Hotel Benghazi[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. found nothing for its current or former name. If someone finds significant coverage in Arabic I'd reconsider. LibStar (talk) 05:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:28, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Flags of SAARC Countries[edit]

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All the information is already available in Article SAARC. no need of separate article for flags of members of a particular organisation Sulaimandaud (talk) 05:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:28, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Carol Cox[edit]

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Fails gng and pornbio Spartaz Humbug! 15:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per blatant advertising. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vitaliy Poliakov[edit]

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No independent evidence of notability other than apparently thinking that he has solved the world's problems. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 09:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NWA Wrestling Revolution[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. No significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Nikki311 03:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Consensus indicates that the topic is notable and the nomination erroneous.  Philg88 talk 04:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

United States Climate Alliance[edit]

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WP:NOTNEWS. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 03:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep/Neutral - I could easily see this being notable. I'd say weak keep for now, but I could easily see this get deleted. PerfectlyIrrational (talk) 03:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - I don't see how this could not be described as "notable". This alliance could be very significant for future international climate policy. Strong keep for now. Noahnmf (talk) 20:15, 1 June 2017 (PST)

Strong Keep - Significant coverage of this in reliable sources. Dont see a good reason to delete at all. Simonliyiyu (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For Now - Seems significant for now. If nothing were to ever come for it, I might change my opinion later (with the benefit of hindsight). The Jade Knight (talk) 03:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'Strong Keep' - Obviously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duanedel (talk • contribs) 03:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC) — Duanedel (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Strong Keep - I don't see how it's not significant. Just from the founding states, the overall GDP is > Germany and the population is > UK. Copulative (talk) 03:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As per above arguments Sherenk1 (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It is way, wayyyy to early to be nominating this for deletion. This literally happened today, we don't know the details of what this alliance entails nor if any other states are going to be joining this alliance but that doesn't mean we need to rush to delete this. Give this a few days and see how it pans out. JayJayWhat did I do? 04:00, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 02:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Smudge (band)[edit]

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Severe lack of independent coverage to satisfy WP:MUSIC, a Google News search said much the same. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 02:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Duffbeerforme: How do either of those denote notability? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 20:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ian McFarlane's Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop is definitely considered to be an independent reliable source. Dan arndt (talk) 02:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
User:Waggie, don't judge a book by it's later online copy. Ian McFarlane is a highly respected journalist, researcher and historian with many years of writing in this field. His Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop is a book, not a blog [41]. It was published by Allen & Unwin a leading publisher with a history of over 100 years. This book was properly researched and checked, reading the book you will find a section on the process of researching the content including some details about the sources he used, such as major newspapers, music magazines and street press.
Interesting point about Corr (although not entirely correct [42]) but a source publishing an article written by a free lancer does not make it an unreliable source. duffbeerforme (talk)
Have to concur with Duffbeerforme - McFarlane is a highly respected journalist and rock historian. The Encyclopaedia is not a 'blog' site and is considered to be a reliable source and seriously question Waggie's statement that it doesn't have "the traditional fact-checking and editorial control that is expected of a reliable source". In relation to Nick Corr,, he has written other content for Allmusic, as identified by Duff (above). Allmusic is a reliable source as they have a history of fact checking and editorial control. Corr is not primarily a journalist however that shouldn't be an issue give Allmusic's level of editorial control. Dan arndt (talk) 06:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We will have to agree to disagree. Thank you for your efforts improving the Smudge article. Waggie (talk) 06:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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