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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Ilyushka88 | Talk! Contribs 00:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuits of New Brunswick[edit]

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Is this list needed? I don't think that many enough lawsuits exist there, that it needs its own article. Ilyushka88 | Talk! Contribs 23:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator After reading the comments here, I have changed my mind about this deletion proposal. Page should indeed be kept, and proposing this page for deletion was too hasty from my part. Ilyushka88 | Talk! Contribs 17:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

E³.series[edit]

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Procedural AFD. Clearly promotional, reads like a press release, no evidence or statement of notability as a product, very skimpy referencing. Was ready to be deleted at PROD, but it had been PRODed and deleted in 2008. A later recreation was deleted as CSD G11. David Gerard (talk) 21:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. North America1000 00:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Secretaries Cup[edit]

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Almost completely unsourced since 2007, no evidence of notability. PRODed, unPRODed, two passing mentions added. I'm willing to be convinced, but I can't find anything demonstrating the notability of the event itself. David Gerard (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Article has improved substantially since initial nomination in a way that directly responds to the initial delete arguments. A Traintalk 07:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oren Kessler[edit]

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Non-notable writer lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 15:51, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how he is notable by Wikipedia standards. Please explain how he meets WP:N or WP:BIO. reddogsix (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Searching books [3] is a quick way to see that the work done by this policy analyst is taken seriously.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Discussion and citation of a writer's work by other bluelinked writers/newscasters supports notability, our opinion of their political views notwithstanding. More books did come up in my search, stuff like Political Islam and Global Media: The boundaries of religious identity, (Noha Mellor, Khalil Rinnawi, Routledge, 2016) "Oren Kessler (2012) explains that the channel is perceived as favouring freedom and democracy against dictatorships, but clearly appears to be supporting Islamic parties. Kessler demonstrates how the channel promoted the..." E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't mention Beck and Spencer because of "[my] opinion of their political views" -- I mentioned them because most of what they say and write is demonstrably untrue, and being cited as a source by such charlatans ought not to be regarded as a measure of notability. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 19:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - The searches done by E. M. Gregory (above) demonstrate that he is notable. Someone cited by multiple scholarly books easily qualifies. Firkin Flying Fox (talk) 08:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"much depends on who does the citing"? We get that Glenn Beck is not your cup of tea, not mine either, but IDONTLIKEIT is not a policy-based reason for deletion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:40, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 01:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Željko Srdić[edit]

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Artist of no note, tagged for notability concerns for a while now. Contested prod, I can find no sources using google. Hiding T 22:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No one appears to be asserting that the subject independently meets WP:N, and indeed it appears that the article does not. The basis for keeping the article would then be the community consensus around elected officials from global cities, which as of now does not apply to the subject. The argument for deletion has been endorsed by multiple editors and goes effectively unrefuted. A Traintalk 08:14, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Lubosch[edit]

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Notability: significant RS coverage cannot be found. The subject lost his position as city councillor in 2015. Otherwise, an unremarkable subject. Update (Aug 16, following discussions with Bearcat): The prior consensus was established with the understanding that Winnipeg was a global city (I've located the listing in the article on global cities, 2015 version). While acknowledging that consensus formerly accepted Winnipeg as one of the cities where a city councillor was accepted as notable under NPOL #2, I believe that it shouldn't anymore because Winnipeg is listed under "Category 6 (Sufficiency)". I believe this is insufficient to qualify it as a major international hub of business and political power, where a city councillor could be presumed to be notable:

  1. Alpha++ cities are London and New York City, which are vastly more integrated with the global economy than all other cities.
  2. Alpha+ cities complement London and New York City by filling advanced service niches for the global economy.
  3. Alpha and Alpha- cities are cities that link major economic regions into the world economy.
  4. Beta level cities are cities that link moderate economic regions into the world economy.
  5. Gamma level cities are cities that link smaller economic regions into the world economy.
  6. Sufficiency level cities are cities that have a sufficient degree of services so as not to be obviously dependent on world cities.

For comparison, other North American cities in the last category as Des Moines, Greensboro, Sacramento. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Following some discussion with K.e.coffman to clarify our respective issues, I see that he's now revising his nomination rationales to accommodate my primary concerns — as noted, I'm not wedded to the idea that Winnipeg's city councillors need to be kept as notable, but simply objected to the fact that some editors seemed willing to simply ignore the fact that the prior consensus ever existed at all. If any prior consensus could be erased simply by refusing to acknowledge that it existed, and didn't require any actual discussion and debate about the reasons why it should possibly be changed, Wikipedia would instantly become a giant pile of anarchy. An argument formulated this way, however, I can agree with: the "sufficiency" class of cities should not be considered notable enough to hand its city councillors an NPOL pass anymore, and Winnipeg is not for any substantive reason a city where broad national or international reader interest transcends its relatively low class of "globalness" the way a national capital might. Accordingly, I support the nomination as now formulated: my issue was the way in which the argument was being conducted as if no consensus for these ever existed in the first place, not any strong belief that Winnipeg should retain that status permanently. Bearcat (talk) 21:35, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Prior consensus, the last time a batch of Winnipeg city councillors was put up for AFD, established that it is significant enough. While I acknowledge that consensus can change, it changes by means of the formal establishment of a new consensus, not by means of people simply pretending that the existing consensus isn't even there in the first place. You're absolutely free to make a case for why the prior consensus that Winnipeg is significant enough to NPOL its city councillors should be overturned — and hell, I might even agree with you if the argument was strong enough, because I'm not 100 per cent committed to the existing consensus either — but until a new consensus is formally established to overturn the old one, the old one still stands. Bearcat (talk) 02:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Consensus can change. Also, looking at the prior AfD, it appears that the argument was that they are presumed to be notable. But the actual notability still needs to be demonstrated via significant coverage in multiple RS. I just don't see those for the subject. None have been presented at this AfD either to meet GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I know that consensus can change — I even said so in the very comment you're replying to. But consensus changes by means of a discussion that specifically addresses the issue of changing the consensus and specifically establishes a new one, not by means of one user arbitrarily decreeing that the prior consensus never existed in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was there an RfC that established that consensus? Otherwise, it's more of an argument that "it was kept the last time (8 years ago), so it should be kept this time". I'm not sure that's how the AfD process works, unless I'm mistaken. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consensus doesn't have to be formulated specifically by means of an RFC. There hasn't been just one AFD on this individual person alone; several past AFD discussions on Winnipeg city councillors reached the same conclusion that Winnipeg was large and notable and "global" enough, simultaneously as other discussions were coming down as delete for cities like Regina and Saskatoon and Hamilton that are of otherwise similar size or within-their-own-region significance, specifically on the grounds that Winnipeg places much higher in the global city rankings than Regina or Saskatoon do. WP:OUTCOMES defined by the weight of multiple similar AFD decisions do count as the establishment of consensus. Again, I know that consensus can change — but it takes a new consensus to deprecate a prior consensus. Bearcat (talk) 18:02, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The argument in this AfD and the prior AfD is that they are presumed to be notable. But the actual notability still needs to be demonstrated via significant coverage in multiple RS. This is how any SNG works, as I understand it. None have been presented at this AfD to meet GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • A presumption of notability remains in place until such time as improved sourceability can be definitively shown not to exist at all. If an SNG is objectively passed, then one RS which verifies that passage is enough to get the article kept, and merely flagged for ((refimprove)), and the presumption of notability remains in place until additional sourcing can be definitively shown as not even possible — GNG requires merely the existence of improved source coverage, not its preexisting inclusion in the article's as-currently-written form. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and I had other things to do yesterday which prevented me from being able to look into this and Brenda Leipsic right away — that doesn't mean that I'm not doing it, but it takes time which I have to schedule around other things. Bearcat (talk) 18:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • 74 hits on Lubosch in ProQuest's Canadian Newsstand Major Dailies, radiating outward all the way to Charlottetown, Montreal, Halifax, Sudbury and the National Post. That's more than enough. Bearcat (talk) 18:23, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, the consensus has never been that these are permissible only for New York City and Chicago and nowhere else; the consensus has always been that they're permissible for any city in the global city class. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Washington DC, Boston, London, Paris, Ottawa and San Diego, for starters, are just some other examples of cities where the city councillors do routinely have Wikipedia articles because city councillor in and of itself. If a new consensus can be established that Winnipeg should come off the list of cities whose councillors qualify, then that's one thing (and not even a thing I'd necessarily disagree with) — but past consensus was established that Winnipeg was on it, so you need to make a case for why Winnipeg should be removed from the established consensus, and can't get these deleted just by making false claims about what the existing consensus even is. Bearcat (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DGG is wrong about what the existing consensus was and is. Bearcat (talk) 17:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Precedents established at AFD do count as consensus regardless of whether they've been explicitly codified into policy statements or not. And the problem with the alternative standard you propose here is that it's not easily or objectively quantifiable which of those two camps most cities would fall under. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Pace BabbaQ Wikipedia is not based on news; the best secondary sources are books--but that's by. WP:LASTING is of course entirely relevant as part of our notability guidelines, and the keep-voters do not make a cogent argument that this was indeed an event of some (even any) lasting effect. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Farah Noor Adams[edit]

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article is about a murder which does not appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for general notability Drchriswilliams (talk) 20:07, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"Yet Hannah's tragic case is not a one-off. In 2005 Farah Noor Adams was raped and murdered in Glasgow. She had made a number of silent calls when she spotted she was being stalked by her eventual killer. But they too were cut off by operators when she failed to respond."
Local civic improvement is extremely local. It does not rise to the level offered in other articles, see for example: Carrollton_bus_collision#Aftermath, with a wide ranging discussion on bus safety, new regulations, MADD, etc. The crime that is the subject of this discussion did not have the same lasting effect. The news that the subject received from the news outlets probably falls under WP:ROUTINE and is not sufficient for an encyclopedia article. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Previous comment misunderstands guideline, i.e., lasting coverage cuch ad inspiring a new policy or program, does support notability, but the converse is not true, that is, the lack of lasting coverage does not negate notability that has already been acquired because WP:NOTTEMPORARY. However, in this coverage there was long term coverage becasue of the failure of the 911 system issue in this case, and there was LASTING coverage in the form of a city program that RS describe as inspired by this murder under which safety improvements were made to the park wehere she was killed, raped and tortured. Penultimate comment above, by contrast, is correct in wondering whether the coverage in this case was sufficient. Further searches might well turn up more coverage. E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:24, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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LASTING and NOTNEWS are irrelevant here. Lasting, do you expect consistent coverage of a case like this from day 1 to present time. Never happens. Notnews is irrelevant as Wikipedia is based on news.BabbaQ (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep, thankfully due to the debut; The consensus clearly swayed to say "Keep". (non-admin closure) NasssaNser 13:33, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Tarbell[edit]

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Concern was that the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. PROD contested by another user. Stating that there is plenty of media coverage, however they appear to be routine. – Michael (talk) 19:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I also noted that they were a generation Adidas, college athlete, high draft pick, and many squad selections. Note that it's an MLS backup keeper. Also, how routine are media reports about being selected as Generation Adidas; that's anything but routine. Nfitz (talk) 04:04, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jujutacular (talk) 02:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jeri-KO[edit]

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Tag team formed this month and won a single PPV, comparable to The Golden Truth. Obvious WP:TOOSOON and currently fails WP:GNG. With mainly moves and weekly results, another addition to the "tag team purge". Sekyaw (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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They didn't form in April or but only after the confrontation with Sasha Banks, Enzo and Cass when Owens appeared to "have Jericho's back". Earlier matches combined the two but they weren't anything of a team back then. Str1977 (talk) 20:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yaakov Perlow[edit]

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Non-notable biography page. Only two references on the page, one is to a dead link that appears to be connected to subject, other is a book that has two trivial mentions of Perlow. My own searches only turn up results in blogs and other non-reliable sources. Don't think this meets WP:GNG or WP:BIO. FuriouslySerene (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Do you have a WP:RS to support that? FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those are Wikipedia policy reasons for keeping an article that doesn't meet the WP:GNG. Please see WP:BIO. FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see enough confirmation of this person's notability in WP:BIO. Rabbis aren't mentioned there by name, but being a chassidic rabbi is somewhat like being royalty and having a seat on the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah is somewhat of being both an academic and a politician. I feel comfortable with WP:BIO and this rabbis notability. Debresser (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's how BIO works. FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:54, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 00:40, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Lazerow[edit]

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PROD removed by author. Article is an unsourced BLP, with vague claims to notability. Few hits online, but mostly from article the subject has written. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nina Francis[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR, and technically an unsourced BLP. Complicating the issue is that this BLP is sourced to two IMDB entries, each claiming that the subject was born under the other name, and listing different credits for each name which do not chronologically overlap. However, none of the roles appear significant enough to meet the criteria in either case. MSJapan (talk) 18:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bathmophobia[edit]

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Another supposed phobia back-formed into Greek, with the usual lack of any clinical usage and the standard lists of every possible combination of Greek stems. Mangoe (talk) 17:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. This is one of the most interesting AfD discussions I have read in some time. There were some very strong arguments on both sides, as well as some low-effort !votes that I effectively discounted. There is a strain running through the deletion arguments that the subject shouldn't have an article because he is a fringe psuedoscientist -- the subject is clearly a quack engaged in flim-flam, but that doesn't invalidate the reliable sources that attest to his notability. I would suggest that what it does mean is that the article needs to be carefully patrolled and kept clear of promotional fluff. A Traintalk 08:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ruggero Santilli[edit]

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The subject of this article does not meet the guidelines for notability. loupgarous (talk) 01:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:GNG says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Reading the discussion in the first nomination for deletion (where the consensus was "Save"), I'm not persuaded by any of the arguments given that this article ever met that criterion, or WP:SIGCOV.

Certainly our current guidelines for notability would exclude the article, for the secondary sources consist of a discussion of his theories in a small scientific journal, and an article in a St. Petersburg, Florida newspaper.

The discussion I refer to above is of one of Santilli's published monographs regarding Santilli's proprietary "MagneGas" process. Again, no real notability here.

The references to Santilli's academic background and credentials are hosted on a Web site belonging to his own "Institute for Basic Research," and this includes his editorship of "Hadronic Press, Inc.". None of these are useful to establish notability.

It's unfortunate that the first discussion on nomination for deletion for this article didn't touch on notability more than it did. The guideline WP:NTEMP allows us to reconsider questions of notability, and this is one such case. The reference list just doesn't have significant coverage in reliable sources apart from Santilli's own publications or publications which reside on his organization's Web site.

WP:FRINGE comes into play here, too. It's not whether Santilli's theories are regarded as "fringe science," but again, whether they are notable fringe science.

Santilli complains that eminent physicist Steven Weinberg heads a group of Jewish scientists who are colluding to keep his theories from being published in the usual journals of physics and chemistry.

The more likely explanation is that Santilli's theories simply failed peer review in the major physics and chemistry journals, even as alternative explanations for accepted theories of how chemical bonds work.

According to the WP:PROFRINGE guidelines, we're not a forum for someone to promote theories with little or no support apart from a very narrow list of 'believers'. Santilli seems to have that forum in any case, in the "board" of "The Institute of Basic Research." These include a few physicists known in their own countries but with very little notability in the world at large.

Potential WP:COI Disclosure: Santilli and some of his staff refer to me (by my full name) as "a former Wikipedia editor" because I questioned some of the claims they've made for MagneGas. That is a separate discussion from this one; the reasons I am giving for deletion are confined to the subject's lack of sufficient notability for a wikipedia article.

I think the decision to keep Ruggero Santilli was a decision we need to revisit, keeping our current guidelines for notability and treatment of fringe theories in mind. Thank you for your attention. loupgarous (talk)

WP:Prof#C1 requires that "the person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." Can you show any evidence of that, apart from the h-index, which can be gamed by self-citations (among other strategies)? Ruggero Santilli concedes he can't get his work peer-reviewed in reliable scholarly journals. His explanation aside, that shows he failed at WP:Prof#C1. But I'd like to see specific examples of significant impact Ruggero Santilli has had in physics and chemistry. It's hard to game a nice, recent list of peer-reviewed publications in reliable journals. Almost all of Santilli's recent work is self-published. loupgarous (talk) 03:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant. He has been noted by others. But if you care to count his self-citations, I will reconsider. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:20, 26 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Picked at random, Santilli's recent paper "Apparent Detection via New Telescopes with ConcaveLenses of Otherwise Invisible Terrestrial Entities (ITE)", American Journal of Modern Physics. Vol. 5, No. 3, 2016, pp. 45-53 has fifteen references. Nine of these cite other Santilli publications (one of which was a talk to the St. Petersburg Astronomy Club). The paper itself was published in the "American Journal of Modern Physics," an open access journal which charges US$370/paper (and charges authors extra for reprints). Only 2 of 31 members of the American Journal of Modern Physics's editorial board reside or work in the USA. One more lives and works in Venezuela - strictly speaking, he is "American" in that he lives in South America. Another member of this journal's editorial board is a high school teacher. Do you insist I count each of his self-citations? A bit of a time-sink, but it would show that the h-index is a broken indicator of academic impact in this case, so it could be worthwhile to show in general how measures like this are being gamed for fun and profit. loupgarous (talk) 02:19, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the effort you have put in here. It confirms much of what is known about the subject's conduct. Still, he has been noted by others, and satisfies fringe requirements that the work must have been noted out-of universe. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Another Santilli paper, "Compatibility of Arbitrary Speeds with Special Relativity Axioms for Interior Dynamical Problems", American Journal of Modern Physics Volume 5, Issue 2-1, March 2016, Pages: 143-160, has 75 references, 40 of which carry Santilli as sole author or co-author. I'm not seeking recognition for the work here, a job well done is its own reward. But 40 self-citations out of 75 references? I'm counting his self-citations, and showing a pattern that probably skews Santilli's h-index upward without true impact on physics and mathematics, in "open access" journals with deceptive names and which accept manuscripts after payment of hefty processing fees. According to WP:Prof#C1 guidelines. "Simply having authored a large number of published academic works is not considered sufficient to satisfy Criterion 1." loupgarous (talk) 03:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non-committal Mainly known for litigation, self-promotion and pseudoscience. Article frequently edited by associates of Santilli, possibly family members. Mathsci (talk) 07:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Weak keep per Xxanthippe. Google cites look good. The article makes the subject seem primarily notable for self-promotion and pseudoscience, as Mathsci says, but the subject is already notable under WP:PROF independently of the more dubious aspects of his tenure, having published several highly cited mainstream works. I think this makes WP:NPOV probably a challenge to achieve. Appropriate focus should be given to the mainstream areas that Santilli has worked with, but also the article should be appropriately sceptical of his fringe work. As the mantra goes, "AfD is not cleanup", but it's easy to be an armchair AfD participant, and much harder to do the actual work. This article should probably be watched for COI. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep. Part of battle against pseudoscience. Simply ignoring noisy kooks is detrimental to public. And he is noisy and noted. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete If you delete every statement supported only by a primary source or a source directly hosted on the subject's "Institute for Basic Research" Web site and written by the subject or other members of the Institute's board, all you're left with is his early personal life, four monographs he authored early in his career, and a recounting of his pro se lawsuits and his belief that his theories are being denied peer review by Steven Weinberg and his friends. Is that really enough of an article to keep? loupgarous (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Struck duplicate !vote; the nomination is considered your delete !vote. See WP:AFDLIST. -- Softlavender (talk) 02:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: duly noted. Thanks for the correction. loupgarous (talk) 03:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with fringe sources in a fringe article? They are expected. The BLP is clearly labelled as fringe and it achieves notability as such. I am opposed to attempts to enforce the ideological purity of Wikipedia by removing fringe material from it. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Fringe sources don't allow us to satisfy WP:NPOV by providing a sourced mainstream view of the subject's fringe positions. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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With respect to Xxanthippe's statement, "I am opposed to attempts to enforce the ideological purity of Wikipedia by removing fringe material from it," I am opposed to wikipedia becoming known once more for the unreliability and lack of usefulness of its articles. Our current guidelines on biographical articles with respect to who's notable enough to merit a wikipedia article are so strict that Kenneth Mahood, whose editorial cartoons appeared in almost every daily issue of a major London newspaper, who was a regular cartoonist and illustrator for The New Yorker and before that for Punch magazine has been repeatedly denied an article by our reviewers despite a dozen secondary sources attesting to his reputation in the field of news and political cartooning.
Yet, by oversight we have an article on a man who appears to be mainly notable for having discovered how to game the h-index and other indicators of influence on scholarly opinion with a plethora of articles featuring profuse citations of his own and his associates' work in his own "journals", and in offshore "open access" journals which appear largely to be paid venues for scientific publications. One of these, the "American Journal of Modern Physics" is notable chiefly in that, of the over thirty members of its editorial board, three reside or work in the Western Hemisphere. The "American Journal of Modern Physics" also happens to be the venue in which articles by the subject and his associates have most often appeared in recent years. This is a case in which we should maintain what's becoming a reasonably high standard for factual reliability in our articles. Regarding the subject as notable enough for a biographical article's inconsistent with our current standard for that. loupgarous (talk) 12:34, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that you don't get it. Wikipedia is expected to be a reliable source for fringe material as well as for mainstream. The essential requirement for fringe is that it is identified as such and does not claim to be mainstream. That requirement is satisfied in this case. Wikipedia is WP:not censored. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Xxanthippe, you don't get it. Joseph Westley Newman, here on the Gulf Coast, was an authentic WP:Fringe scientist. Newman chose to stand on the scientific validity as he saw it of his theory that he'd discovered a way to make a motor which wasn't subject to the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics - a "perpetual motion machine". Having been questioned on the matter, Newman didn't resort to pro se litigation, start his own scientific journal, or recruit friends to cite his papers in paid scientific journals. Newman filed for a US Patent on his invention and was turned down on the grounds that his invention wasn't patentable, but he appears to have stood by his fringe theories. Santilli's claims to notability that can be documented by WP:RS are not for his fringe theories, but most recently for his self-promotional efforts, which aren't enough for an article here. WP:PROMOTION and WP:SIGCOV apply here more than WP:FRINGE. loupgarous (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
An excellent point is made here. Notability bar for fringers should be lower because there are fewer of them and the behavior that they display is of interest to those who study cultural pathology, just as patients with exotic diseases are more interesting to physicians than healthy people. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks, but search engine hits are not the same thing as sources, and the results of those searches are not very impressive. Perhaps you would like to identify a few sources that are WP:FRIND? Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have notified the fringe theory noticeboard to generate additional input regarding the allegedly "non-fringe" sources. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Book:
Periodicals & major media:
Organizations:
-- Softlavender (talk) 14:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Being published in research journals and trade media does not contribute substantially to notability under WP:PROF, neither do minor awards. Every academic is essentially referenced in this way, since that's pretty much their job description. WP:PROF requires substantial and lasting impact to the field. Sławomir Biały (talk) 14:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I've mentioned three times, these are all independent reliable non-fringe sources. None of them is by Santilli or from his publications. Softlavender (talk) 18:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe that the Journal of hydrogen energy sources contribute very much to notability. Generally WP:PROF requires a more substantial impact in a scholarly discipline than this. Sławomir Biały (talk) 19:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PROF has little or nothing to do with this person's notability. He's not a professor. Plus we are judging on GNG, which supersedes all other subsidiary notability guidelines anyway. But if you want "more substantial impact in a scholarly discipline", here are 236 hits in GoogleScholar, only a very few of which are in his own Hadrionics Journal or Institute of Basic Research: [25]. -- Softlavender (talk) 19:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
GNG creates a presumption, not a guarantee, oof notability. Secondary sources addressing the subject's contributions must pass the "more significant than the average college professor test". I'm not convinced, without a more detailed analysis of the GS hits that the subject meets WP:PROF, since he is clearly good at gaming the GS system. See the arguments presented by Agricola44 at [26] for a clear precedent. Sławomir Biały (talk)
To repeat, WP:PROF has nothing to do with this person's notability. He's not a professor. Plus we are judging on GNG, which supersedes all other subsidiary notability guidelines anyway. Softlavender (talk) 21:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:PROF: "For the purposes of this guideline, an academic is someone engaged in scholarly research..." If the basis of the keep votes is not that the individual is primarily notable for their "scholarly research", then I suggest that the media that does not address the scholarly research be isolated for the application of WP:GNG. In particular, that means eliminating the aforementioned Journal of hydrogen energy source from consideration. Of the remaining sources you have provided, most appear to be garbage press releases or other unreliable types of media. The St. Petersburg Times seems to be the best source, but I hardly think that being the subject of a local expose is a sufficient condition for notability of a private citizen. Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're making up your own rules, when in fact WP:GNG is very clear. Moveover, Santilli is an entrepreneur (in addition to being known for his engagement in research): Chairman, President and CEO of Thunder Energies Corp; Founder and Chairman of Magnegas Corp (a NASDAQ traded company [27]); and President of the Institute for Basic Research: Bloomberg profile. Moreover, none of the links I provided above are press releases or unreliable. I have no intention of prolonging this discussion, so this is my last reply to you. Softlavender (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A Bloomberg profile is not credibly independent of the subject. And "NASDAQ" is another primary source. I am not making up my own rules. I've already said that, if we are evaluating scholarly sources, then the correct question that we must determine is whether the person has made a significant scholarly impact in their discipline. This is not something that GNG can directly answer for us. We must see what the sources say. If, as you contend, the subject is notable as an entrepreneur, then show us the sources that the subject is not more than the "typical entrepreneur" or whatever. That is, find some good WP:GNG sources that provide some indication of that person's notability. As I said, WP:GNG creates a presumption, not a guarantee, of notability. Notability is the question of "Is the subject notable enough for an encyclopedia article?" Typically the relevant criteria are that the person made an impact in their field that sets that person apart from others. Examples pointing to notability are winning significant awards, or being an otherwise important enduring aspect of the record. We have guidelines like WP:PROF and WP:CREATIVE to help determine whether persons (especially living persons) are notable enough for an encyclopedia article. But in the end, it does come down to a question: "Do the sources we have show that the subject is notable enough to have an article written about them in an encyclopedia?" This is not a calculation that can be determined simply by counting the number of ghits. So, I ask, show me the GNG sources. It does not seem like the subject of this article is an enduring part of the historical record. Moreover, there are serious WP:NPOV issues to do with the WP:FRINGE aspects of the subject. Since this is also a WP:BLP, these considerations cannot simply be dismissed by chanting "zomg, teh sourcez". Sławomir Biały (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I closed this discussion as Keep on Aug 10, my decision was questioned by Kingsindian and on second read I am not comfortable with my decision. J04n(talk page) 17:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Of the sources Softlavender provided as Sample sources of significant coverage in independent reliable sources:
Progress in Physics is described in our article Progress in Physics having "published papers by several authors, who, along with some of the editors, claim to have been blacklisted by the Cornell University arXiv as proponents of fringe scientific theories." That makes it part of the scientific vanity press catering to those who admit they can't even get published in Cornell's open access arXiv site for open access publication of scientific papers.
Progress in Physics is not a reliable secondary source under WP:QUESTIONABLE. It also fails under WP:FRINGELEVEL - "Wikipedia is not a forum for presenting new ideas, for countering any systemic bias in institutions such as academia, or for otherwise promoting ideas which have failed to merit attention elsewhere.", and WP:SCHOLARSHIP - "Care should be taken with journals that exist mainly to promote a particular point of view. A claim of peer review is not an indication that the journal is respected, or that any meaningful peer review occurs. Journals that are not peer reviewed by the wider academic community should not be considered reliable, except to show the views of the groups represented by those journal."
Biotech Week News of Science, and Energy Weekly News are all trade publications of the NewsRx group of publications. While they do some original content, mostly they paraphrase and publish press releases from other organizations, so their content (as shown in the sample links provided, and a sample I reproduce below) is press releases from Santilli's firms. They don't meet the criterion in WP:RSCONTEXT - "...the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication. Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in the Wikipedia article."
A quote from one of these journals:
  • Thunder Energies Discovers Invisible Terrestrial Entities Using Santilli Telescope
  • News of Science
  • February 7, 2016 | Copyright
  • 2016 FEB 7 (VerticalNews) -- By a News Reporter-Staff News Editor at News of Science -- Thunder Energies Corp (TNRG:OTC) has recently detected invisible entities in our terrestrial environment with the revolutionary Santilli telescope with concave lenses (Trade Mark and patent pending by Thunder Energies). Thunder Energies Corporation has previously presented confirmations of the apparent existence of antimatter galaxies, antimatter asteroids and antimatter cosmic rays detected in preceding tests. In this breaking news, Thunder Energies presents evidence for the existence of Invisible Terrestrial Entities (ITE) of the dark and bright type.
  • "This is an exciting discovery. We do not know what these entities are; they're completely invisible to our eyes, our binoculars, or traditional Galileo telescopes, but these objects are fully visible in cameras attached to our Santilli telescope," stated Dr..."
and that's all we get without registering to read Highbeam citations, but by the guideline in WP:RSCONTEXT this isn't a reliable secondary source, but something from a Santilli company saying they "recently detected invisible entities in our terrestrial environment with the revolutionary Santilli telescope with concave lenses " It's not reliable reporting, it's pseudoscience. By reprinting this information and saying a "News Reporter-Staff News Editor" was responsible for the content, News of Science destroyed their reliability for our purposes under WP:FRINGELEVEL.
These articles do not establish notability. They support persistence and sophistication in self-promotion, which can never support notability according to WP:PROMOTION.
The Investtrend articles Investrend and Investrend fail for the same reasons as stated above.
The International Journal of Hydrogen Energy articles document a controversy over Santilli's claims to have developed a new sort of hydrogen-oxygen bond. They fail under WP:RSCONTEXT and WP:FRINGELEVEL.
That leaves
  • the CNN video statement, which has at least some independent analysis - enough to support notability on a superficial level, at least,
  • Santilli's mention in someone else's book, and
  • the local newspaper article on Santilli's litigiousness in local courts.
I submit that the samples which meet our guidelines aren't enough to establish Ruggero Santilli's notability. loupgarous (talk) 07:54, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The subject of the article owes whatever notability he has to tireless self-promotion, and the degree to which he'll go to promote his activities and theories. That, as shown above, makes it more a matter of WP:PROMOTION. loupgarous (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree. Apart from mentions in the trade press which can be shown to echo the subject's own press releases, other primary source material by the subject or his employees, and supporting scientific articles in pay-to-publish journals with deceptive names or which fail being reliable source material under WP:QUESTIONABLE, WP:FRINGELEVEL and WP:SCHOLARSHIP, there's a mention in someone else's text, a CNN video feature, and a local newspaper article on the subject's litigiousness in local courts.
The subject's own work isn't enough to add to that list without independent confirmation of notability, and his primary articles show abundant evidence of extensive self-citation and citation by others published in pay-to-publish journals with deceptive names or journals controlled by the subject himself. The overriding effect is that he gets an article here despite being notable chiefly for activity our own WP:PROMOTION guideline deprecates. loupgarous (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From the WP:PROMOTION guideline: "An article can report objectively about [promotional subjects], as long as an attempt is made to describe the topic from a neutral point of view." If the subject himself is overly promotional and independent reliable sources take note in a significant way -- then we create a neutral and reliably sourced article accordingly. You and I simply disagree on whether this subject rises to that level of significance. Jujutacular (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just how many independent reliable sources cited in this article have taken note in a significant way of the degree to which the subject promotes himself in the scientific and trade literature? The trade journals simply repeat what he sends them, misleadingly stating that an "editor or reporter" is saying the subject is (for example) seeing dark matter with the subject's proprietary telescopes, while the scientific literature cited consists (apart from four monographs and a book published early in his career which aren't enough under WP:PROF to support notability) of articles he and his colleagues have published in his own privately-controlled journals operated from his city of residence or from deceptively-titled pay-to-publish journals like the American journal of Modern Physics (domiciled in Sudan), mainly remarkable for an ardent circle of mutual citers, which drive their Google Scholar h-indices up nicely. Our article inappropriately grounds the subject's claim to scientific credentials more than it 'exposes' him as an exponent of fringe theories. He's actually not very notable as a fringe scientist or as a businessman or an authentic scientist with a notable impact in his fields of expertise. He's a superb publicist. And WP:PROMOTION doesn't allow him an article on that basis. loupgarous (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, the sources that have been presented do not rise to the level of notability that our guidelines demand (specifically WP:PROF and WP:FRINGE). Sławomir Biały (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think Omegatron had summed it up nicely:

“Strong keep - See Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for some of the notability criteria that he meets. Also see [1]. As for the quality of the article, Deletion processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. Using XfD as a "protest strategy" in an editorial or Neutral Point of View (NPOV) debate is generally an abuse of process. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a science textbook. Those people repeatedly nominating articles for deletion because they're about hoaxes or pseudoscience are seriously missing the point. — Omegatron 01:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)”

As the blogger (Pepijn) who apparently became notable himself by blogging about Santilli (even earning a citation in this very article) stated on his blog– “Santilli is a well known fringe scientist”

“Well known..” = notable.

As Spacepotato commented back in 2007: “Keep—I believe he's a notable crank/fringe scientist. I have attempted to improve the article and have added some non-self-published sources. Spacepotato 01:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)”

I agree, lets improve the article rather than deleting sources and then pushing for deletion on the basis of lack of sources - which seems very disingenuous to me.

I will begin by offering this quotation from [Karl Popper] about Ruggero Santilli which does establish notability for Santilli as Popper is regarded as one of the greatest scientific minds of the 20th century.

“I have mentioned Santilli, and I should like to say that he--one who belongs to a new generation -- seems to me to move on a different path. Far be it from me to belittle the giants who founded quantum mechanics under the leadership of Planck, Einstein, Bohr, Born, Heisenberg, de Broglie, Schrodinger, and Dirac. Santilli too makes it very clear how greatly he appreciates the work of these men. But in his approach he distinguishes the region of the ‘arena of incontrovertible applicability’ of quantum mechanics (he calls it ‘atomic mechanics’) from nuclear mechanics and hadronics, and his most fascinating arguments in support of the view that quantum mechanics should not, without new tests, be regarded as valid in nuclear and Hadronic mechanics, seem to me to augur a return to sanity: to that realism and objectivism for which Einstein stood, and which had been abandoned by those two very great physicists, Heisenberg and Bohr.” – Karl Popper Quantum Theory and the Schism in Physics: From The Postscript to the Logic of Scientific Discovery ISBN-10: 0415091128. Page 14.

I am new to Wiki and just learning my way around so I will try to add this and a number of other well sourced references of Santilli’s notability on the talk page. Hopefully Loupgarous and others can then help with actually incorporating these into the article.Maester Anderson (talk) 01:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC) — Maester Anderson (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Liv Morgan's match statistics[edit]

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PROD tag removed by author. Article is a list of matches by a WWE wrestler. This is clearly not what Wikipedia is for. The wrestler yes is notable, the list of matches they have had is not. RickinBaltimore (talk) 17:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Ishaq[edit]

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PR for a non-notable CEO of a non-notable company, none of the listed sources are both in-depth and substantial for establishing his own actual notability. Considering this was speedied before, it's better this be taken to AfD as a G4 precaution. SwisterTwister talk 17:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The one keep vote that presents a cogent argument (by Atlantic306) is undercut by the contention that those eight movies may well not be notable. The deletes have it. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arbaaz Khan (Pakistani actor)[edit]

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This article was already AfD deleted. This new recreated version is somewhat different from the deleted version. Some "sources" are added, by I still think the notability is not established. I see no reliable indepndent sources with significant coverage. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've just checked those eight film articles, and none of them meet WP:NFILM in their current state. There's also nothing to suggest that Khan's roles in any of them were "significant" - all I'm seeing his Khan's name somewhere in the (user-submitted) IMDb cast list, and mentioned in "cast includes" on the source for Saya e Khuda e Zuljalal. (Sockmaster User:Nouman khan sherani has a history of giving Khan top billing when adding his name to film articles, with no sources.) --McGeddon (talk) 10:04, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This was reference 4 before the webpage was taken over or moved by a different site and it shows his prominent roles in many films here Atlantic306 (talk) 12:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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That's not the same guy! That's Arbaaz Khan (Indian actor), who is notable. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 4: mazhar.dk seems to be something like a Twitter feed or other automatically generated, non-RS stuff. (Its strapline is "An informative website" which seems to be debatable. ;-) )
  • Ref 5: IMDB only lists one director credit.
  • Ref 6: This is the Times Of India, which is a good RS source. Maybe this will redeem it? Nope. All that "reference" is is a canned query to their search engine. It sure as heck isn't a link to any specific article of theirs backing up the claim that he has directed 12 films.
None of these three references seem to support the claim made. So we have a serious lack of verifiability here! Another concern is that some of the reference material is far too similar to some of the material in the article (the worst being [28]) so there is a copyvio concern here too. But he has won a load of notable awards, right? Who knows? They sure as heck are not referenced in the article... So, I'm not feeling like giving this any benefit of the doubt. Reference the awards properly and make sure that the references are all RS and actually support the claims made then I'll reconsider. Until then WP:V seems to doom this as much as WP:N. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That explains that mystery. I don't think that this archived reference material is/was RS but at least it shows that it was on-topic when it was added and thus alleviates my fear that blatant junk references were added to spuriously bulk up the sourcing. --DanielRigal (talk) 09:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#1. Merging and other editorial concerns can be discussed on the talk page. (non-admin closure) ansh666 21:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Pennsylvania State Police Barracks attack[edit]

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This is completely redundant and therefore unnecessary. Most, if not all of this is essentially copy-and-pasted from the Eric Frein article, which describes this event better than this article ever could. I highly suggest a merge to the Eric Frein article. Parsley Man (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of work? Everything's already at the Eric Frein article, and if not, we can just merge any extra info over to said article. This event's notability has honestly been foreshadowed by the manhunt for Frein itself. Parsley Man (talk) 01:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To me it seems that this article should be about the attack, which certainly was notable in itself, and the Eric Frein article should be about the person. They are distinct and I think both notable. If anything, I'd go with Shawn in Montreal's suggestion of a reverse merge from Frein's article to the article about the event. It seems to be mostly about the attack and its aftermath and less about him biographically. I'm fine with two articles, but if consensus is for only having one, I would much rather it be this one than the Frein article as it currently stands. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Parsley Man, I realize you were trying to help, but for the future, it's bad form to modify someone else's !vote at an Afd as you've done to mine. Yes, you've clarified it -- but it's not really in your rights to do it. But no worries. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC) [reply]
  • Oh, sorry. But to be honest, I for one misconstrued your "Support" vote as a "Keep" vote before I read it in full. I was afraid your vote would be misconstrued in the same way when it's being closed, so I thought I'd make it clear to everyone that that's what you meant. Parsley Man (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed. And if fact, that did once happen to me, with a support being misconstrued. Anyway, I'm with you. No need for two articles! Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Would you mind specifying that "specific info"? And I doubt that having two sources (both of which seem to be mostly local) is equal to "good sourcing". Parsley Man (talk) 02:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Responding as well here, this attack received international coverage [29]. The event itself is notable more so than the person. He's a criminal notable for one event. The event itself is what garnered him the notoriety rather than his involvement in it making it notability. Like I said above, I think there is a case for both meeting the inclusion standard, but if anything, Eric Frein should be merged into the article about the event, not vice versa. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:42, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. Daily Mail is a tabloid, and therefore, an unreliable source. Please review WP:IRS. Parsley Man (talk) 15:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware, my point was that it received international attention, but here are sources beyond the Daily Mail. The Guardian [30] [31] [32], TIME [33], the BBC [34]. You will note that all of these sources mention that he is being covered because of the shooting. The shooting is not being covered because of him. He gets his notoriety from the fact that he killed the people, and the manhunt that followed it. That manhunt is better described in an article about the attack itself in my opinion, than an article on the man. Like I said, I am fine with having both articles up, but the manhunt is logically a part of the aftermath of the shooting, and belongs in the article about the shooting. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Still unacceptable. Please review WP:ONEEVENT. There is no need for two articles, and it's better off to keep Frein's article and delete this one since it's so superfluous and plagiarized. Parsley Man (talk) 02:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some civility would be appreciated here. I'm familiar with WP:ONEEVENT, and my reading of it is that in general the event not the perpetrator should be covered, which is the stated preference of the guideline. Yes, it does have multiple exceptions to this, but as I feel I have demonstrated above, this is a major event that received significant international coverage in major publications. As such WP:ONEEVENT does foresee the existence of two articles. You can disagree that this event falls under the part of the guideline that foresees two articles, but the existence of two articles is something that is foreseen in the guideline, and I am suggesting as a part of the AfD process that it does fall within that criteria. I think the significant international coverage makes it noteworthy enough. At the same time, if consensus does not exist for keeping two article, I am expressing my preference of a reverse merge from Eric Frein to this article, which is clearly within the stated preference of WP:ONEEVENT, and something that another editor in this thread has also suggested as a possibility. I'm also confused as to what plagiarism you are referring to. Is this a copy vio? If so, I will gladly support deleting per CSD G12. Right now, it looks like a standard article about the event that links to the article about the perpetrator, and cites it as the main article in that section. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:57, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relatively easy fix that I took a first pass at just now. If there are other areas where it needs to be clarified that the crimes are alleged and that he is the suspect who was charged, please let me know and I will work on fixing it further. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 22:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of regular expression software[edit]

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Software usage of regexp is not discussed in reliable sources as a whole, thus the list will be nothing but non-notable original research. Antigng (talk) 05:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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delete or hard reset if someone wants to turn the topic into a proper article. I should disclose that I think 'list of' articles are a flawed concept. It's technically possible to find sources regarding RegExp support in software, but this list is poorly sourced, has critical design flaws, is open ended, and -- as encyclopaedic material -- has no particular notability or value. Compare with Comparison of regular expression engines; the latter article is heavily flawed, but at least attempts to focus on the differences between various implementations. This article is an open-ended list, prone to obsolescence and error. If there were a need to identify software by its regular expression handling capabilities, categorization of notable software would engage domain expertise and prevent the list from becoming stale. 0x69494411 21:09, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. There is a clear consensus that being an Olympic referee multiple times indicates notability. (non-admin closure) ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)))[reply]

Oļegs Latiševs[edit]

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Referees are not notable by default and not covered by WP:SPORTBIO (which if one looks in the archive specifically discussed and decided not to include referees). They have to meet WP:BIO, and I do not see how this one does it. He has no sport career, did not win any awards, nor attracted any in-depth coverage. He is just a referee doing his job, nothing to make him encyclopedic. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:52, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Lamonica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Holtkamp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Pascual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Crawford You can also find the current List of National Basketball Association_referees in Wikipedia. Unfortunately, such list does not exist for referees FIBA Europe and Euroleague. But I think it's a matter of time. It because this information is of interest to readers and fans of basketball. Note that the pages devoted to basketball / Olympic Games and other major tournaments, mandatory have the list of referees and countries they represent. See examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_referees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics In addition, Oleg Latyshev mentioned in more than 100 Wikipedia article. And it is advisable that readers have information about this official. Plus, there are more than 20 introduce links to the page Olegs Latisevs from related articles that I made by myself, with the idea that Wikipedia content would be more correlated, as required by policy Wikipedia. And my last argument for why the article must be saved, it is a really high importance of this person in the modern national history. In particular, Latyshev is the first Basketball referee in the history of independent Latvia invited to FIBA Basketball World Cup (Turkey), 2010. Is the first Basketball referee in the history of independent Latvia invited to the Olympic Games (London), 2012. The only Basketball referee from the Northern Europe invited to FIBA Basketball World Cup (Spain) (in total, 38 referees from 28 states from five FIBA continental zones took part in this FIBA Basketball World Cup), 2014. And the only Basketball referee from the Baltic States (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania) invited to the Olympic Games 2016 (Rio de Janeiro). Amatour82 (talk) 15:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gorilla Chilla[edit]

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Open and shut case of non-significant small scale musician. Nothing of note. Album failed to make a ripple. DJ career is regional and niche. Only one associated act has an article, and even their notability is questionable. Poor references - nothing significant in reliable sources. All round failing of WP:Music and WP:GNG

Album also being nominated here
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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Music in My Blood[edit]

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fails WP:Music spectacularly

Artist also fails Music and GNG - see nomination here.

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Weiss (Streamcast)[edit]

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Apparently promotional BLP without sources - there's literally one RS mentioning Weiss himself with no bio details. No evidence or claim of notability as an individual. Been this way since creation in 2009 by Mbweiss. We can't keep a BLP in this state. I would have just PRODed it, but it already had a BLPPROD. David Gerard (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Nell[edit]

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It initially seems like this is a well referenced article about a prominent person, but actually I struggled to find anything significant that conveys notability. He is Mo Farah's brother in law, and has a few press mentions through this. He is also a freestyle footballer and the only publications of note that mention him have his name and not much more by virtue of his work doing football freestyle stuff at schools as part of a national rail safety campaign. Rayman60 (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The only question, for me, is whether "stunt double" or "unnamed freestyle football performer" counts as a "significant role" in a movie or music video. If it does, he passes WP:ENT #1; I feel it doesn't, but am open to being convinced otherwise. FourViolas (talk) 04:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Provenance Records[edit]

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Non-notable record company lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 13:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

D+H[edit]

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Despite being around for many years, this article is lacking in evidence of notability. Two of the refs show that it exists, two are obituaries for one of its founders and the remaining two are simply business reports of take-over deals which make no other comment that would support notability. This appears to be a company that likes to stay under the radar, but that is of little help in establishing notability.  Velella  Velella Talk   13:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Davis + Hendersen was the defacto cheque printer in Canada. Much like John H. Harland Company (Now Harland Clarke) in the states. I've updated the outdated Davis + Hendersen (they are now go by "D+H" not Davis + Hendersen) content to reflect the most recent information. I don't understand the comment the evidence of notability? Is this a Wikipedia term to identify that the page is not worthy? - PikaTimPedia

The key criterion for retaining pages on Wikipedia is that they are notable. Notability in general is defined here and has a special and specific meaning in Wikipedia. Please read the guidance which should help explain what is needed to demonstrate notability. In essence , it requires robust, independent sources discussing the company which are not derived from press releases and which are not simply passing mentions as are the current refs. Hope that this helps.  Velella  Velella Talk   14:25, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Klingon Language Wiki[edit]

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A cult website. I'm not sure if it's possible to write a standalone article about it. Possibly it could be included as an external link to the language's article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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World Power Index[edit]

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Not notable. Promotional personal essay supported by originator own research. WPI lacks independent coverage and independent citations. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"Hello, certainly the WPI is my creation," [35]. duffbeerforme (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, there you go! Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 00:01, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ready4S[edit]

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I can see nothing here that represents any kind of notability. Some of the refs are own web-site (which my malware protection warns me against visiting!) and the rest are trivial. Appears to be just a front for an advertisment for their apps. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   13:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Toople.com[edit]

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Not notable. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Primiani[edit]

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Not notable. Primiani lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Current independent coverage says very little about him or doesn't even mention him. Claimed awards are not awards and are not significant coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:09, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Clear consensus to delete. Please don't confuse a listing on Bloomberg with an article or entry written by a journalist and vetted and oversighted by an editorial board. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semil Shah[edit]

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Not notable. Promotional piece bombarded with primary sources. Of the few sources that are not primary or blogs none provide any depth of coverage about him, with some not even mentioning him. Shah lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Blatant promotion from an undisclosed shill using a sockpuppet. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • My experience is that coverage on Bloomberg is a good indicator of Wikipedia notability.  Saying that it doesn't help to meet GNG is an incompetent opinion, see WP:CIR.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:36, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It does not constitute an RS for a BLP, and we can't do without good RSes to base the actual article content on. If someone was prima facie notable, as you're asserting, but we didn't have the RSes - we couldn't have an article on them. So K.e. coffman's observation is apposite, and CIR in BLP - David Gerard (talk) 22:53, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Already gone.. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nerkunram[edit]

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Already page Nerkundram is active. might be it is duplicate Afser Ali (talk) 11:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • While I have no opinion on the proper spelling, all we'd have to do to preserve the interlanguage links if we merged to the name with the "d" is change the spelling on Wikidata. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 12:50, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Lemonade War[edit]

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Procedural AFD. Was PRODed with "Non notable book, lacking WP:RS" and I was about to delete it, then noticed it had been deleted at PROD before. Audacity undeleted it with the reason "undelete PROD deletion since article meets WP:NBOOKS - a Google search shows this book is widely taught" - but the article hasn't been improved in the intervening years with said claimed references. David Gerard (talk) 11:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was procedural close. Article was speedy deleted per A7. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 19:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Ganern[edit]

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No evidence of any notability. Wholly unreferenced. It would have been a candidate for speedy deletion had there been an appropriate category. Fails WP:GNG. Searches only show YouTube clips etc.  Velella  Velella Talk   10:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rushmoor derby[edit]

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This was recently listed for deletion as part of a group of articles at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A62 derby. Though it was closed as no consensus, I'm relisting this article as there were no particular claims made for its notability in that debate, which got swamped by the discussion of other articles.

There is little to no evidence that this rivalry exists. The page, which is unsourced, mentions only one match, from the Hampshire Senior Cup, a low priority competition typically contested by the reserve teams of professional clubs and local semi-professional teams. A search via the fchd finds just four seasons in which the clubs were in the same league, of which two were in the regional, semi-professional Isthmian League and two in the mixed pro/semi-pro National League, both of which are well down the English football system. One of the clubs, Farnborough, have never competed as a professional team.

Beyond this lack of evidence of the rivalry existing, there is none of its notability. The general notability guidelines require independent sources, but none are offered on the page and none seem to exist; there is little evidence that the phrase has cachet beyond this Wikipedia article. Wikipedia's rivalry notability states that "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable. Articles on sports rivalries, such as Yankees–Red Sox rivalry, should satisfy the general notability guideline, " and this page falls well short of that. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was procedural close: Article has been speedily deleted as WP:G11 by Seraphimblade. (non-admin closure) AddWittyNameHere (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DataPortability[edit]

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Procedural nomination: I've just declined a proposed deletion request on the grounds that a very old nomination was declined a decade ago thus making this immune from WP:PROD. This article is at best very, very outdated to the point of uselessness, and at worst outright spam.  ‑ Iridescent 08:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aldershot Town F.C.–Woking F.C. rivalry[edit]

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This was recently listed for deletion as part of a group of articles at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A62 derby. Though it was closed as no consensus, I'm relisting this article as there were no particular claims made for its notability in that debate, which got swamped by the discussion of other articles. Both sides compete in the fifth tier National League in England and one of them (Woking) have never competed in professional football. There are no sources that this rivalry is notable; there is no evidence of independent reporting on it, certainly beyond general news coverage that follows most football matches. The teams do consider each other rivals, but that is not the point of contestation here; the point is that this rivalry has no evidence of notability under general notability guidelines, and that sports notability states that "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable. Articles on sports rivalries, such as Yankees–Red Sox rivalry, should satisfy the general notability guideline." Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

S-Bus[edit]

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This article claims that S-BUS is "targeting to become the Asian and African Standard protocol " for intelligent buildings. The text of the page was recently edited to change the name to "BusPro" without changing the page title. I suspect that this is an attempt at commercial promotion, but in any case, I'm not seeing any evidence that this has, in fact become a standard, or even exists, under either name other than on the HDL Automation website that promotes it. I suggest that the page is returned to its original function as a redirect to SBus (which is a different thing). SpinningSpark 00:59, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The origin of the article was an editor adding material about the S-Bus protocol to the existing (and unrelated) article SBus and at the same time creating S-Bus as a redirect to SBus.
I fixed that by moving the content to S-Bus, making it into a standalone article as should have been done in the first place.--NapoliRoma (talk) 05:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was delete. North America1000 23:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Charles A. Case[edit]

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declined prod. as per WP:NOTINHERITED. simply being a friend of someone notable doesn't make you notable. all I could find is 3 small mentions from gbooks but not enough to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 06:25, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 23:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leonard Tan (entrepreneur)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Rather self-promoting without significant coverage by independent secondary sources. justexamples 06:23, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FXstreet[edit]

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Not covered independently in reliable sources - fails WP:ORGDEPTH and WP:ORGIND - but plenty of coverage in press releases WP:PROMO. Not a notable organization. Steve Quinn (talk) 05:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 23:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anjuman Zia-e-Taiba[edit]

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This article fails in a number of ways, first and foremost being WP:GNG, since there don't seem to be any sources on the organization which aren't connected to it. In addition, there's the wider issue of South Asian religious figures and organizations of little or no notability whose followers constantly create poorly written articles. There also seems to be a major WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:VER issue, as articles of this nature are almost always written in order to exploit Wikipedia as a means to generate buzz. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jensen Localization[edit]

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Article was referenced by own website, blog, etc. I removed these references and inserted CNs and a warning. These were removed but the new references are not independent of the subject either. Moving to delete. gidonb (talk) 03:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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NicolasMartinFontana, in the article and here you make superfluous and incorrect claims. For those who care to look at the article's history, I found a repetitive all PR article, cut it back to the factual minimum, requested quality refs, and received close to nothing. You grew the article back again and both there and here add more sob stories about this wonderful company, while implying that there is something wrong with most other foreigners in the same region. That is libel. To make things worse, both on my talk page and the article's talk page you lie that you have POVd the article, while you actually ruined the POVing by others (notably me). gidonb (talk) 02:27, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, you claim that the article should stay because Lionbridge has an article. This is an "other stuff exists" argument that does not hold water in AfD discussions. We disregard these claims because it is possible that the other article should not be there and then we do not allow to use it to justify the existence of more excessive articles in our encyclopedia. Lionbridge, however, is not an excessive article. It has a revenue of over half a billion dollar. The article is verified with high quality sources and also contains a list of controversies. It is a balanced article on an important company. Jensen Localization is neither balanced nor on an important company. gidonb (talk) 02:38, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Lionbridge is a WP:LISTED company, for starters, that has 6000 employees. The article under discussion says that the company has "circa 11-50" employees, which is rather small and indicates a non-notable (yet) business. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

gidonb thank you for the detailed explanation and sorry if I offend you or anyone with what I wrote. What do you mean by POVing the article? I won't add more sobbing stories, and I will only refer to the facts (I will start deleting what was added recently). My apologies as I told you is my first article creation, before I was only translating them. K.e.coffman I forgot to add the 400 freelancers to that amount. (I know it is still small). — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicolasMartinFontana (talk • contribs) 12:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC) gidonb and K.e.coffman I have updated the article, I hope that now matches the Point of View (POV) required, if it does I won't mess with the article more. I also added more info and reference about the amount of employees and freelancers. Regards to you both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicolasMartinFontana (talk • contribs) 14:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NicolasMartinFontana, don't let me scare you. Of course I'll push back if you claim to have done work that I did or if your claims do not prove the significance of the company. For example now you say that your company works with a lot of freelancers. That does not say much as you can provide a little work to many subcontactors or a lot of work to fewer. What matters is if important publications wrote extensively about your company. The article can always be fixed! gidonb (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 08:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leila Boloukat[edit]

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IMDB sources are not WP:RS. Fails WP:NACTOR. John Jaffar Janardan (talk) 03:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: please take some time to read WP:NEXIST. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 04:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawing nomination You could have simply made your comment instead of taunting "Your favorite search engine". The English name had no news about this actress. --John Jaffar Janardan (talk) 04:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Reeve[edit]

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Totally unsourced BLP, appeared in a bit part in one series of Are You Being Served? and that was the biggest role of her acting career, which is not sufficient to meet WP:NACTOR. MSJapan (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tomasz Zan[edit]

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Delete: fails notability. Quis separabit? 01:35, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The references cited in the article alone include a mention in a general history of Poland, significant coverage in a history of Polish poetry, and an entry in another encyclopaedia. Google turns up many, many more. There are lengthy articles on Zan in 11 other Wikipedias, one of which is featured, showing there's ample room for expansion. Seriously, why did you nominate this? Joe Roe (talk) 11:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. After being open for 23 days this AfD has only summoned one !vote to delete so there doesn't appear to be a burning desire on the part of the community to delete the article in question. @BlueWind13: has scared up a number of sources and appears to be eager to improve the article. A Traintalk 09:48, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Gitin[edit]

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Appears to be mostly copyvios, (See [Copyvio report]) AntiCompositeNumber (on vacation) (Leave a message) 01:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I put together the page, and yes, I did use other source material which was all referenced to the source. If that is a violation of copyright - I can easily rewrite the information. David Gitin is not a minor, non-notable poet. How do you make a determination like that? Who are you to put yourself in that position to make such a statement? This seems to me to go against the whole principal of Wikipedia - for one person to determine what history should be and who should be valued - particularly in the arts. As you can see from the publications list he had many books published, by multiple publishers. He is widely respected in the poetry world. See this interview with Michael McClure in the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/exclusive-beat-poet-mcclure_b_823425.html "McClure: In spite of the smothering effort by many in the academy and by the ignorant, poetry is alive. It is often hard to find, because it is dodging the samsaric breakers and one-dimensional undertow, or it is in plain hearing in the art of Bob Dylan, or kept a little out of the way from readers in the dimness of misinformation about poetry. There is no finer poet than Diane di Prima who, like Joanne Kyger, does not broadcast or flaunt her rich creation. Amiri Baraka seems to be in the midst of a personal renaissance of commitment and clarity. Jerome Rothenberg continues bringing me news of poetry that I never imagined. Clayton Eshleman is exploring the Paleolithic galleries of his person. Philip Lamantia’s almost lost poetry will be published soon, in a Collected Poems by a major university press. Poets of modesty, brevity, and intense genius like David Gitin can be found in small press editions. Online sites contain shimmering ongoing streams of poetry by younger people who do not press for public recognition—they have to be sought out."

An article about David Gitin which may explain his lack of notoriety: http://www.montereycountyweekly.com/news/local_news/after-a-long-hiatus-local-poet-david-gitin-publishes-a/article_be620444-0da2-5cc7-a40e-5fa61ff6c155.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueWind13 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 14 August 2016 (UTC) BlueWind13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello BlueWind13. When you point out that Michael McClure devoted a single sentence to Gitin, that is not a good argument for notability, since we require significant coverage and one sentence does not meet that threshold. A source that, as you describe, explains his "lack of notoriety" is also not a positive contribution to the debate, since our job here is to delete articles about topics that lack notability. When you ask "Who are you to put yourself in that position to make such a statement?", my response is that I am an editor with lots of experience at Articles for Deletion. An editor who has written the biographies of many notable artists and photographers, and saved many others from deletion. An editor who is always willing to switch to "Keep" when solid evidence of notability is presented. So, please bring forth better evidence. Thank you very much. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]


David Gitin's papers are in the archives at: Stanford: http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/ft7v19n8w4/entire_text/ Worcester Polytechnic: https://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/Library/MS34_David_and_Maria_Gitin_Collection.pdf Cornell: http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/EAD/htmldocs/RMM04679.html UC San Diego: http://libraries.ucsd.edu/speccoll/findingaids/mss0075.html Northwestern University: http://findingaids.library.northwestern.edu/catalog/inu-ead-spec-archon-112 BlueWind13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Cullen328- I could give you many more quotes from Michael McClure. I pointed out that one sentence because it was recent and because it was available online at Huffington Post. If you want more sentences, I can provide them. But that seems besides the point. You can also read quotes from 'notable' authors about his work on the back of David Gitin's books. (Or both - blurbs on the back and Michael McClure: Michael McClure's blurb on a back cover: "Gitin is a master of subtle rhythms that ear and eye blend on the field of the senses. Meadowlarks and irises move in spirit-dances and ellipses through Legwork. Objectivist poets and Issa might converse in this world." [1]And quotes from 'notable' writers & artists in the Gitin correspondences in the archives. And quotes on blogs. But none of those are the kinds of sources which Wikipedia seems inclined towards. David Gitin is what is known as a "poet's poet" and did not achieve huge commercial success, although he had a number of books published by reputable smaller publishers like Ithaca House- and in the days when authors did not have to pay publishers to publish their books. Commercial success, or widespread fame, in the poetry world is not a measure of the value of one's work or worthiness. So, please, tell me more about yourself and your qualifications to moderate who is, and who is not, notable in the poetry world? Just because you've edited many Wikipedia pages does not make you an expert. Do you have an advanced degree in literature? How cognizant are you of the modern poetry world? Have you read much modern poetry? Have you, for instance, at the very least, taken the Coursera MOOC ModPo? (If not, and you have an interest in modern poetry, I highly recommend it!) I have been involved with the poetry world since 1973 when I worked at as an assistant poetry editor at The Antioch Review, and then at The Poetry Center at San Francisco State College. And, yes, as I mentioned to Marchjuly I am connected to Blue Wind Press which was one of David Gitin's publishers - as well as publishing three books by William S Burroughs, and poetry collections of Ted Berrigan, Anselm Hollo, Merrill Gilfillan, Michael Lally, Lorenzo Thomas, and Jack Marshall among others - and all of whom already have Wikipedia bio pages. Here is Ron Silliman's post on first meeting & publishing David Gitin "...Gitin as always is at once the most precise writer imaginable & a very restless imagination, a great combination. These poems push-pull on the reader in ways that are as unpredictable as writing as they are as real-world experiences...."[2] David Gitin was also friends with some of the great poets of the day, particularly the Objectivist poets and his letters, as you can see from the references, have been archived in major library collections. I can't imagine it would not be useful to a scholar to know more about the person whom the author one was studying was writing either to or from. 

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  1. ^ From the backcover of Legwork published by Oyez https://library.usu.edu/specol/art_book/index2.php?startrow=3688
  2. ^ http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/02/blog-post_16.html

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:27, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marquee Music Group[edit]

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Not much evidence of notability that I can find. Adam9007 (talk) 01:03, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In addition, any quick google will show label is on the biggest music sites around the world such as Apple Music, iTunes, Spotify, etc. The artist on this label are popular and all over the internet with popular songs and huge social media presence with numerous interviews in biggest blogs mentioning record label as well as being featured on homepage of Vevo. Links also provide contributions to label working with Michael Jackson's Sound Engineer. The article is not biased and produces plenty of Wikipedia approved links to remain.

Lastly, Marquee Music Group logo has been on Wikimedia for months without any problems making the case even stronger for this article to stay. Per section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, Wikipedia speedy deletion states, "Contributors sometimes create pages over several edits, so administrators should avoid deleting a page that appears incomplete too soon after its creation" this was the case here too as the page was flagged before more important updates were added by author.

Again per section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, Wikipedia speedy deletion states "Before nominating a page for speedy deletion, consider whether it could be improved, reduced to a stub, merged or redirected elsewhere, reverted to a better previous revision, or handled in some other way." I believe above case and point that the article should stay and be worked on by the community to make better page so that more people can readily find information about this label and its artist.) --Osrius — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osrius (talk • contribs) 19:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America1000 22:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bidhannagar Municipal Corporation[edit]

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Still nothing actually substantial as this was even only started his year, no substance at all. Notifying Velella. SwisterTwister talk 22:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This is not a private company. This is a government body, Municipality. The population of Kolkata is greater than North European countries as Sweden and Finland. They have more than one Municipality. And this corporation is covered in reliable, independent sources. Marvellous Spider-Man (talk) 10:21, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 04:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mansour Hedayati[edit]

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effectively unsourced BLP biography, as Wikipedia is not a suitable source. Also fails WP:GNG. The Banner talk 18:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep im expanding this and i will bring the sources . please let us expand article . i just start to expand the article Amir Muhammad 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Without prejudice to recreation when/if additional sources become available. Euryalus (talk) 22:19, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Twin Saga[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. No significant results in the WP:VG/RS custom Google search engine. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 00:40, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 19:10, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Council on Chiropractic Education – USA[edit]

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Notability: significant RS coverage cannot be found. Self-cited article on a minor association. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. (Soft delete, minding low participation.) czar 03:24, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Demons of Mercy[edit]

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Video game that has been "upcoming" since 2007. No evidence or statement of notability. Single reference is to a press release. David Gerard (talk) 08:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 19:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Adamson (adventure racer)[edit]

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Non-notable racer. New York Times source has a brief mention. No recent news. Marvellous Spider-Man (talk) 18:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 06:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperwallet[edit]

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Not notable. Every reference is either their own site or a press release, mostly payments.com, -- which , while it may contain some genuine editorial material, seems devoted mainly to providing a place for companies in the field to advertise their products. DGG ( talk ) 00:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Golden Globe winners[edit]

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Unsourced contentfork of Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture – Drama, Golden Globe Award for Best Director, Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Drama and several related articles The Banner talk 08:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, WP:SOFTDELETE--Ymblanter (talk) 06:42, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gramin Vikas Vigyan Samiti[edit]

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This article doesn't have a single solitary reference to a secondary source; the footnotes refer exclusively to the organisation's own website and publications. Google doesn't find anything else either. Nobody has attempted to do anything about the June 2016 tags, which are if anything understated: written like an advertisement, may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline, contains wording that promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information, relies too much on references to primary sources. Bishonen | talk 17:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Syk Sense[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO; little depth of coverage in reliable sources. Most of the sources cited in the article either mention his name only, or don't even mention him. Fails WP:ANYBIO; appears to have made no widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. DBrown SPS (talk) 08:35, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@DBrown SPS: Please explain what "appears to have made no widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record" mean. I've seen this stale message being used multiple times before and it looks like spam when being used to nominate an article for deletion.Xboxmanwar (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you click on WP:ANYBIO (which preceded the statement you are confused about), you will see those exact words. If you have questions about the statement's meaning, you may wish to leave a message at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people). Magnolia677 (talk) 19:06, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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@206.125.47.10: Please explain how this article is "nonsense". Xboxmanwar (talk) 19:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Elemental (Dungeons & Dragons)#Elementals from the Monster Manual II. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 18:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fire bat[edit]

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This article does not establish notability. TTN (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shannon Purser[edit]

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Doesn't meet the notability guidelines for people- short term "viral" fame only. jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. I wouldn't have created an article on an actor with a single credit, but there's certainly coverage. I'm not too sure that a burst of recent coverage would disqualify someone from an article, as notability isn't temporary. She may pass WP:NACTOR criterion #2, which requires a cult following. For example, [49] from Vulture.com describes her character's viral popularity, though it seems to stop short of saying Parser herself has a cult following. This article from Esquire explicitly calls Purser a "cult icon". Perhaps because she's only had this one role, it's tough to separate the coverage of the character from the actress. So, I can see an argument that the character is the more notable of the two. If we made a new article on the character, Parser's article could conceivably redirect there until it's easier to establish notability for the actor beyond the role. I'd be curious to hear what others have to say. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. She's had about 5 minutes total screen time in her entire career. Wikipedia is not buzzfeed and should not get caught up with internet memes. Could be considered for an article if she gets more roles. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep has at least two reliable sources discussing her to some degree, and was in three episodes as more than a bit part. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:30, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - A role in a notable TV show doesn't make the personality notable. Let her act in some more ventures and then we can possibly talk about a separate article. Yes, she is a subject of online virality, but what is that based on: the TV show. Hence, delete. Best, Mr. Nair Talk 11:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Her portrayal of Barb should be considered her breakout role (performance of an actor or actress in a film or television show which contributed significantly to the development of their career and beginning of critical recognition), even though it's the first credit. The resulting notability has served to bring attention to her acting.
  • According to the Duffer brothers who are the show runners, with the introduction of the second season the character will still be a part of the show in some form [50] [51]. I believe it would be premature to delete before then, regardless I am open to the suggestion made by NinjaRobotPirate on having Purser's article redirect to a Barb character page.
  • She is a fan favorite for the titular role of Squirrel girl in a proposed marvel movie [52][53][54]
  • She passes the following criteria of the notability requirement:
  • WP:NACTOR Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
  • WP:SUSTAINED WP:NTEMP Due to on going coverage and recognition from numerous reputable sources.
  • WP:ARTN WP:CONTN Article content does not determine notability. Irregardless of whether we choose to delete this article on her, it will have no bearing on ongoing coverage of her in other media.
  • WP:NRVE WP:NRV Notability guidelines require that there must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability.
  • According to WP:BASIC People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published, secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria. She has been interviewed and written about extensively in the Los Angeles Times [55], Huffington Post[56], Hollywood Reporter[57], Vanity fair[58], Tech Insider[59], Washington Post[60], Entertainment Tonight[61], Glamour Magazine [62], BI [63] and numerous other media outlets.
The Squirrel Girl stuff is trivial and not even worth mentioning in the article. She wants to play a part in a movie that hasn't even been announced? Big deal. Plenty of other actors have had their articles deleted on the basis that they only had one notable role, e.g. Hannah Pilkes in The Woodsman, Wendy Grantham in The Wire. The comparison with Peter Ostrum is erroneous because Ostrum had a lead role in the movie. Purser played a minor character with 5 minutes of screen time who for some reason went viral. It's the character rather than the actor who got so much attention. MaxBrowne (talk) 05:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Squirrel Girl stuff is only mentioned here in accordance to WP:ARTN for purposes of demonstrating that she meets several criteria of the notability requirement, which Nairspecht and MaxBrowne claim doesn't exist. Both Hannah Pilkes in The Woodsman, Wendy Grantham in The Wire don't meet the bare minimum of WP:BASIC , irregardless of that Hannah Pilkes still has a wikipedia article.
I can cite numerous examples of actors with single credits who have had their own Wikipedia pages since their breakout roles. But for brevity two come to mind Azharuddin Mohammed Ismail and Rubina Ali who acted as the child versions of Salim K. Malik, Jamal's elder brother and his girlfriend. They obtained notability due to their acting and their socioeconomic circumstances as homeless slum dwellers. Despite not meeting any of the three major notability requirements for entertainers WP:ENT.
While the time spent so far on screen in her recurring role is indeed short, the claim that it's only five minutes is inaccurate and can be considered irrelevant rhetoric if she more than meets the wikipedia notability requirement, the premise of this discussion.
No where in the guidelines does it state that having a singular credit or "five minutes" screen time serves as a disqualification. RubenSuben (talk) 09:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Actually there is indeed a notability guideline that relates to actors' screen time, and with only 3 episodes of one show she definitely does not qualify under item 1 of WP:NACTOR. She does not meet item 3 either ("unique, prolific or innovative contributions"). I don't see sufficient evidence to suggest she meets item 2 either ("large fan base or a significant 'cult' following"). This doesn't disqualify her from being notable. but it does mean she has to meet WP:BASIC and I'm not seeing it. Most of the coverage of her seems to be of the "Here's this great new character, and by the way, let's mention the actor who plays the part." If this show was cancelled tomorrow and the actress never had another role would she be notable? I don't think so. WP:TOOSOON. Meters (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per what Meters said. Fails WP:BIO, WP:N and WP:NACTOR. Edison (talk) 13:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The guidelines do not require one to meet all three items of the WP:ENT section of WP:NACTOR, or even any of them if WP:GNG and WP:BASIC is met. Since WP:ENT is considered additional criteria, should WP:GNG be in doubt. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included as stated by WP:BASIC.
    • The subject (Shannon Purser) has been shown to fulfill all five aspects of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.
    • Meters misquotes WP:TOOSOON which is very clear that the various notability criteria that guide editors in creating articles, require that the topic being considered be itself verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources. If sources do not exist, it is when WP:TOOSOON applies.
    • WP:TOOSOON also applies if WP:INVALIDBIO as is the case with the WP:TOOSOON guiding example Paris Jackson in WP:NOT YET (actors) since she has zero acting credits and notability is not inherited WP:NOTINHERITED.
    • However in this case as already shown above. The subject (Shannon Purser) already has an acting credit as a recurring character in several episodes in a popular on going tv show and continuous coverage by numerous independent reliable secondary sources, according to guidelines set by WP:GNG. Therefore WP:TOOSOON does not apply.
    • According to Meters, "If this show was cancelled..", this alone violates WP:BALL and WP:SPECULATION since Wikipedia is not a crystal ball WP:NOT. The guidelines state, "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses."
    • Quoting WP:GNGACTOR "Conversely, an actor with a brief career might receive wide coverage in multiple reliable sources and merit inclusion through meeting the requirements of the General Notability Guideline WP:GNG even though his short career might fail WP:ENT. Failing ENT does not exclude him."
    • The guidelines are quite clear and well defined. Meters it would be great if you provided the specific notability guideline that you claim relates to screen time and acts as an absolute dis-qualifier for the subject by overriding WP:GNG .
    • Edison, WP:BIO and WP:N are simply shortcuts that all redirect to WP:NACTOR and are superseded by WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. RubenSuben (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's too much WP:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG! going on. Plain English is always preferable. MaxBrowne (talk) 15:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment While MaxBrowne might have a point. Guidelines state that AfDs are not about voting or personal opinion. The outcome of a deletion discussion is determined on the basis of reference to policies and guidelines, not a simple headcount. As per WP:SUPPORT It is possible for an AfD that has 1 keep and 10 deletes to be kept (or vice versa).
  • By directly referencing specific policies the intention was to be precise and unambiguous. RubenSuben (talk) 17:24, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment RubenSuben, I did point to the exact guidelines I was referencing. WP:NACTOR and the more general case of personal notability, WP:BASIC. As I expleained, in my opinion she does not meet the requirements of notability for entertainers, and she does not meet the more general requirements of notability. Since I don't see her as being notable now, I quoted WP:TOOSOON as an indication that she may become notable in the future if her career continues. Meters (talk) 18:44, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Internet fame is still fame; shortlived fame is still fame. This actor is the subject of numerous articles in the media,so I ludge her notability to be greater than mere "viral fame" would create, satisfying WP:GNG. And if, a year from now, this proves to be mistaken, we can delete it then.j· rodii · 16:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • As much as I hate to disagree with Cas Liber, I do not think that a few minutes and a few mentions, even if positive, add up to notability. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Has had a significant role in television series, which has extended to cult interest in her. I also note that she was cast today in the upcoming television series Riverdale. Clearly this is an actress on the up, and it would be completely pointless to delete the article, especially as she clearly meets notability guidelines. Somethingwickedly (talk) 22:58, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Gained significant media coverage from role on Stranger Things, and has been cast on the upcoming broadcast series Riverdale, which adds up to notability.Bjones (talk) 15:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per NinjaRobotPirate plus check out 3000+ pageviews per day (unofficial measure, but strong correlation with notability).--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Very little evidence of notability, but there's clearly diverse views on how to consider shopping malls in the context of WP:NPLACE. Mildly it would be good to have this clarified as a policy outcome, somewhere more central than this AfD. -- Euryalus (talk) 11:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

CentralPlaza Khon Kaen[edit]

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Yet another generic shopping mall article with no notability whatsoever. Does not pass WP:GEOFEAT. Entire article is written as a shopping directory. WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTGUIDE, WP:NOTADVERT. Ajf773 (talk) 09:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, unfortunately. All of the cited sources are first party sources. This might meet WP:GEOFEAT if somebody wanted to scare up third party references. If kept, needs a major formatting and wikification pass. A Traintalk 11:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - I'm using WP:UCS as there is a strong presumption there is sources in the Thai language as this appears to be a major shopping center that would never get considered for deletion if this were in the US or UK (see WP:BIAS). The first parting sources are in English for the benefit of international investors. --Oakshade (talk) 02:20, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:NPLACE: "Larger shopping malls are often found to be notable." This article, the Thai wiki article and the images do indicate that this is a major mall. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article as it stands has no evidence of notability. Approximately 95% of it is a directory of stores and opening hours, none of which has any encyclopedic value and is What Wikipedia is not. Ajf773 (talk) 21:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • If a major mall meets WP:NPLACE, the current state of the article isn't going to change things. If you object to certain content in the article, you're free to edit and remove text. The article lead gives a sufficient indication of its notability. We have enough WP:V to verify it exists. This is not a "generic mall," as you've claimed, far as I can see. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep  363 stores puts it in the largest category of malls.  I found that "Central Pattana Public Company Limited" is listed by bloomberg.com.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:24, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Eunice Chiweshe Goldstein[edit]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 18:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bodhtree[edit]

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I was actually PRODing when I noticed the 1st one removed, I still confirm mine: "Sources themselves are either trivial coverage, PR or interviews, my own searches including of Indian news sources summarized it to 1 find: an Indian business listing.". Frankly this should have never been accepted from AfC as none of it is actually convincing. SwisterTwister talk 23:20, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • keep There is a book appearance: in "Best of Andhra Pradesh: a salute to the spirit of the state" Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:51, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This would still not be enough actual substance for sustaining the article itself. SwisterTwister talk 00:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment. Some coverage found, e.g. [64] and Times of India. --Michig (talk) 07:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- CIO Review linked above is generally non-RS (if I'm not mistaken it's pay-per-play or close to it). Best of Andhra Pradesh: a salute to the spirit of the state is clearly a promotional vehicle for local business development. I saw some local coverage, but that's about it. This company appears to be an unremarkable IT consultancy as the article does not provide any indications of notability. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:10, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the CIOReviewIndia is clearly a PR link. Hence, none of the Keep votes are substantiating themselves with actual coverage. SwisterTwister talk 07:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"none of the Keep votes"? There is only one keep !vote. --Michig (talk) 07:53, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Euryalus (talk) 11:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Uzochukwu[edit]

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I frankly would've PRODed, but for the chances it will be removed, here we are; none of this is actually convincing at all since it's all either trivial coverage or nothing at all convincing (there are no major coverage sources or collections); the listed sources also include either galleries and interviews. SwisterTwister talk 19:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep The subject of this article seems to meet GNG fairly comfortably; see [65], [66], [67], [68], and [69]. There's quite a few more results available in a google news search. Vanamonde (talk) 12:59, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • To my own surprise it's even not WP:TOSOON. He has quite enough established notability. It's a Keep. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 12:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep – Meets WP:ARTIST. Here's another source and another short article. North America1000 03:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Here are two more sources: [70], [71]. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Several of the articles sinply consist of galleries, one of the listed sources is actually repeated twice, and some of them are simply then interviews. There is still not the sufficiently substantial amount needed. Some of them are then sinply a few paragraphs, take the BBC for example. The 24hora.cl source is not even close to 6 paragraphs. The New Haven source is not actually focusing with him and only consists of a few paragraphs, while the Nigerian source then only consists of a few paragraphs and lists a taken interview. SwisterTwister talk 07:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – WP:GNG states, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." North America1000 08:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. Just enough in the coverage to merit keeping. --Michig (talk) 06:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Once again, the articles simply consist of photos and galleries, none of it actually amounts to substance and coverage. As an artist, he is not notable because there are no museum collections, exhibiting as an artist is never a claim alone for notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:12, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep based on research provided by debaters. Valoem talk contrib 09:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Owais Husain[edit]

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Nothing actually convincing such as having permanent collections, the listed soruce....is his own website; my own searches are barely finding anything and what there actually is, is unacceptable. SwisterTwister talk 21:06, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Ran a Proquest news search on his name, news and feature articles about his careeer, art that more than suffice to keep. Page needs improvement - what else is new?E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. Coverage identified easily established notability. --Michig (talk) 06:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The commenters must not be noticing these are essentially actually simply interviews where the subject himself is talking, it's not substantial coverage by the sources themselves because of this. The News 18 is clearly simply a local piece talking about a local subject of interest. This honestly would need to relisted as the comments are thinly simply saying "Hey, it looks like he's notable but not actually commenting in-depth about how and why the sources are actually notable. The DNAINdia itself is labeled as an interview from the get-go, thus it's not independent, none of these sources are. Some of these are then only a few sentences and paragraphs, take the Daily Star for example. Simply having "articles" about his career is nothing substantial unless they are of actual convincing coverage. Has anyone also cared to actually see this is still only sourced by his own website, apart from the interviewing links above? Even after the links above, the two other comments are not substantiating their votes by listing the links they actually believe including what their own searches allegedly found. SwisterTwister talk 07:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 18:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

C. J. Allen (actor)[edit]

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Article fails WP:ENT. From what I can find out the actor has been in 1 play which is also questionably notable and has been in a handful of episodes of Juliet Bravo. Suggest either deleting or redirecting to Juliet Bravo. 5 albert square (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, although there is scope to expand the article on the play in which this actor had a lead role, it seems to be his only significant role, therefore fails WP:ENT. anemoneprojectors 08:03, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - he appeared regularly (41 episodes) of Juliet_Bravo#Regular_cast. Bearian (talk) 01:21, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not seeing any coverage on the actor himself. There's a book on a sculptor of the same name. [72], a college athlete [73]. Juliet Bravo would be his most significant role. [74] The Coming Clean claims to be award-winning but it does not list what award it won, but that's a different AFD discussion. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No explanation has been given as to why WP:TVSERIES is met; also that appears to be an essay or something essay like rather than a guideline. Everyone citing policies appears to endorse deletion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:18, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Roshan Sitara[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG. Source searches are only providing passing mentions, such as this. The first AfD discussion back in August 2012 was closed as no consensus. North America1000 09:59, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - Subject lacks significant notability. The page's current references are also poor. Meatsgains (talk) 00:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep meets WP:TVSERIES. Not the best written article, but I think it is notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete The two references are invali. The first reference is a dead link. The second link is a vertical of an entertainment gossip portal. This can not be considered reliable. http://www.tv.com.pk/aboutus.php. I believe that the page should be deleted.Manoflogan (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- an unremarkable TV series with no claim of notability or significant RS coverage. It looks to be created by "notable" figures, but their articles, such as Abdullah Kadwani and Siraj-ul-Haque, are not convincing. So there's a potential for a WP:PROMO or WP:WALLEDGARDEN situation. For example, the editor who created the article on Haquel also created "Category:Television series directed by Momina Duraid", and some of these articles look really similar. Anyway, delete.
PS -- See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Momina Duraid Productions; that's why the Momina Duraid sounded familiar. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:12, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as shown above, not notable series and no valid independent coverage, nor RS sources. Kierzek (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Leicester#Shopping. Sam Walton (talk) 09:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

St Martin's Square[edit]

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Non notable shopping centre/high street, Has been unsourced for 8 years and has barely been edited, Anyway I can't find any evidence of notability, Fails GNG (Forgot to add: I have no objections to redirecting or merging, Thanks) –Davey2010Talk 00:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)(Updated 10:22am, 22/8/16)[reply]

  • Delete. Even if there were sources, it's hard to see how they'd establish notability. RunnyAmiga (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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